BTFeather55 said:
Shadowblind said:
BTFeather55 said:
LordMatrix said:
BTFeather55 said:
LordMatrix said:
there you go assuming majority of rpg fans have ps3 as their system of choice. who says they do? like i've said before until wkc or another jrpg that isn't timed or multi comes out in the west we have nothing to really go on now do we? As you can see though there are plenty of people into jrpg game on 360 as well.
Sales may not be huge but they never were really. Now look at Lost Odyssey it has sold awesome in the west and Last Remnant has done well so has Blue Dragon. Might I add those are all new IP. I am holding judgment somewhat on Tales of Vesperia and Star Ocean 4 saleswise simply because I want to see how they do in Europe this summer before jumping to any conclusion on those 2.
Now you started pointing out that star ocean till end of time did tones better saleswise than star ocean the last hope. You know there's a perfectly reasonable/logical explanation on this one. For one PS2 was known for jrpg games and it came out when the system had a very large install base worldwide. The 360 Star Ocean game did not have that pleasure of a 80-100 million userbase. It's slowly becoming more recognized for games like jrpg and wrpg etc. So all in all that comparison is terrible. There was a higher probability of huge sales on the PS2 game for multiple reasons. But it has nothing to do with whether or not jrpg games can sell or not on 360 either.
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Well, we have the fact that a new jrpg ip that received a very average review score in Famitsu (it didn't receive much better review scores than most of the 360 jrpgs) has outsold all of the 360 jrpgs released in Japan by significant amounts (including ones that are in established franchises that even received better review scores in Famitsu), and that in just one rather small region this game (WKC)'s numbers are not too far off from what 360 jrpgs did in one or two regions and are actually higher than some that released in multiple regions).
If released in the West, White Knight Chronicles will probably be the first jrpg of this gen to come close to the million mark (much closer than Lost Odyssey was able to) because most of the 20 million PS3s that have been bought were purchased by fans of Final Fantasy instead of Halo.
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Ok well how about the fact that WKC was only able to muster up 150 thousand more in sales than Blue Dragon in Japan. In spite of having 3 million user base instead of 1 million. Need I mention how large the actual user base was for Xbox 360 when Blue Dragon launched? Around 1/3 of all japanese 360 owners owned the game around the time it was launched. If WKC did that it would have sales of around 1 million already.
I won't deny that it did well but you do have to look at that as well as the total sales. I don't even know why I'm trying to reason with you here. You obviously have your head stuck way up sony's ***. In the end I will be the one enjoying all JRPG's I'm interested in Wii/360/PS3 combined whiled you will be stuck with whatver Sony gets. Face it Sony is not and will not be JRPG king this generation. It will probably end up being almost neck and neck with 360 on the JRPG front in the end with Wii trailing behind some.
BTW why are you even trolling in here if a thread interest you add to it don't be bringing the 360 hate with it. You don't see me doing that at all in Sony or Wii threads.
Anyways back on the actual topic: I am hearing that this is supposed to be like last years where its mostly rpg games being shown this excites me greatly I'm digging the genre a ton this gen so keep em coming! How about some kind of new game from Square-Enix? Atlus bring on a Shin Megami Tensei please? :D Famitsu360 has mentioned in their latest issue at least 2-3 more games are still to be shown this month. Could Sega or Namco Bandai have something cool planned? Perhaps Microsoft decides to revive Cry-On and become it's Publisher?
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1) 150,000 is a huge difference in Japan. The reason Blue Dragon did so well was because Japanese gamers that owned the system really didn't have any other games to play on it.
2) The JRPG king of this generation will end up being either the Wii or the PS3 depending upon which one gets Kingdom Hearts III. The difference between the PS3 and 360 will be much greater in Japan after the two Final Fantasies and Gran Turismo 5 are launched (PS3 will probably have 7 million consoles sold in Japan by August 2010 to less than 1.5 million for the 360) prompting most Japanese developers that want to make the types of jrpgs that have the best graphics to make them exclusively for PS3.
3) Meanwhile, Nintendo's install base and DQX will pretty much guarantee the same level of success in the jrpg realm for the Wii as well.
4) Microsoft really needs to moneyhat something special to offset the dire prediction that I've made for them there if they want to have any hope in remaining viable in the Japanese market with two exclusive FFs and more great games headed the PS3's way there. Magna Carta is no FF.
5) I'm not delivery a hateful diatribe against the 360 here. I'm just looking objectively at the way Japan is trending and looks to be trending with the known upcoming games.
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1) 150k is a huge difference in Japan, but overall that is a very small difference in sales. Blue Dragon sold well because to the Japanese, it was again the match made in Heaven; Akira Toriyama and Hironobu Sakaguchi.
2) Please tell me you didn't just base the JRPG king off of Kingdom Hearts? The JRPG king has and always will be awarded to the DS/PSP. In home consoles, I believe that each system will have pretty much the exact same amount of JRPGs by the end of this gen. Obviously, right now the 360 is winning, but the Wii is speeding up on its tail. And with DQX and the new mothership Tales game, Microsoft is gonna have to do something to keep up. Having Final Fantasy 13 does help though, and having another mothership Tales game on its console does too, but at that point imo they would be equilizing.
3) DQX will sell like hotcakes in Japan.
4) We can pretend they do, if you want. They simply need to keep the course. Notice how weekly sales have more then doubled since the launch of Tales of Vesperia? From 3.9K to around 8.5k-ish.
5) Objectively = with an opinion. Thats fine.
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2. I based the JRPG King off of Kingdom Hearts because it is the most anticipated Square Enix game that hasn't had an announcement as to which console it will be on. I just don't see the 360 being able to get as many high quality JRPGs after the PS3 has both FFXIII and FF Versus XIII as exclusives in Japan. In past gens after the FF games have come out, how have the other consoles fared in the JRPG arena?
3. I think I said that still will one DQ sell better than two FF's put together?
4. 360 sales were down the last two weeks in Japan before last to under 5,000 and beneath those of the PS2. For some reason the 360 has been credited with a pop there last week, yet I don't know how that came about as it didn't have one game in the Japanese Top 30.
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2. Thats a really dumb basis, seeing as Kingdom Hearts has ALWAYS sold better in America then Japan or Europe. Kingdom Hearts has always been a JRPG targeted at the American market since it had handily outsold both Europe and Japan combined in America. FFXIII isn't exclusive, and the other is a spin-off. In Japan maybe it is exclusive, but Japan alone does not define who has the most JRPGs this gen, seeing as how its the smallest home console market right now. In the past, all FFs used to come out on a Sony product only. But in the past, so did Dragon Quest, Tales of games, ATLUS games, Persona series, and Kingdom Hearts. The past this ain't.
3. I don't think so. It'll sell extremely well, but it won't outsell FFXIII worldwide. Even in Japan, it couldn't outsell TWO Final Fantasy games. If your talking about Versus, thats a spin-off, not a mothership title, so yeah, it'll probably outsell it there, but we don't know that for sure.
4. And now they aren't...strange? Look further back; before MS's JRPG plan they barely rose past 5k. The fact that it didn't have any new games or anything on the top 30 is strange, but maybe not too strange, since weeks after its release in Japan Tales of Vesperia was still the #1 highest selling used game. The 360 is fluctuating, this time in a good way.
