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Majin-Tenshinhan on 15 April 2009
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Well it could not have sold less on ps360.

Already stated, and it wasn't funny the first time either.

Facts aren't supposed to be funny.

Trolling is, though.

Facts aren't trolling, even if you don't like them.

 


Here are the facts:

1. I make a thread where I satirize the treatment of MadWorld by applying absolutely no backup to anything I say and claiming it as fact. This is meant to show off how nonsensical such behavior is.

2. You proceed to do that very thing yourself.

The only thing we can deduce from this is that you're trolling. Or you didn't read the OP. Either way, I'll be regarding it as trolling until you back up your statements, and I think most other people will too.

So you are saying that madworld would do LESS than 170k on PS360? How about you back that up?

 

 

Sorry bud - The burden of evidence is on you since you made the original claim. Now, cough it up. What have you got?

All I said that madworld could not do less on PS360. That is 2 platforms combined. I can't think of a game with that much internet hype on PS360 that has done less than 170k. If you consider the market share of PS360, it is bigger than what wii has. Also the demographics are generally more favourable to violent games than the demographics on wii.

 

The thing here is, 170k isn't an absolute. This number is going to keep growing. 170k isn't close to being MadWorld's full sales tally - Try atleast double that. Also, internet hype is really meaningless unless there's "real hype" as well. When thinking of PS360 games that had internet hype, well, they had "real hype" too. Killzone 2 had posters up here in Stockholm anyway, so did Mirror's Edge, GTA4, most all games on PS360 that have gotten any internet hype have gotten regular hype as well. With the Wii, it isn't so. There's no doubt more people on the street will have a clue what Mirror's Edge is, rather than No More Heroes (though most probably won't know either). Internet hype means very little unless it gets backed up by regular hype, and MadWorld wouldn't magically be getting regular hype if it was on a different console.



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Metallicube on 15 April 2009

Madworld would not sell better on the HD consoles, pure and simple. The reason it doesn't sell well on Wii is not because of the mature rating or gore or "hardcore" gameplay, it's because it has an extremely niche appeal. Simple as that. It's a cell shaded, black and white, arcade style comic book action game, AND it's a new ip. It may sell SLIGHTLY more on 360, but even then, I really wouldn't see it selling more than 800k worldwide on that platform. Under the given circumstances of Madworld's design and appeal, I'd say it's selling decently for the Wii.



Esa-Petteri on 15 April 2009
Majin-Tenshinhan said:
Esa-Petteri said:
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Esa-Petteri said:
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Well it could not have sold less on ps360.

Already stated, and it wasn't funny the first time either.

Facts aren't supposed to be funny.

Trolling is, though.

Facts aren't trolling, even if you don't like them.

 


Here are the facts:

1. I make a thread where I satirize the treatment of MadWorld by applying absolutely no backup to anything I say and claiming it as fact. This is meant to show off how nonsensical such behavior is.

2. You proceed to do that very thing yourself.

The only thing we can deduce from this is that you're trolling. Or you didn't read the OP. Either way, I'll be regarding it as trolling until you back up your statements, and I think most other people will too.

So you are saying that madworld would do LESS than 170k on PS360? How about you back that up?

 

 

Sorry bud - The burden of evidence is on you since you made the original claim. Now, cough it up. What have you got?

All I said that madworld could not do less on PS360. That is 2 platforms combined. I can't think of a game with that much internet hype on PS360 that has done less than 170k. If you consider the market share of PS360, it is bigger than what wii has. Also the demographics are generally more favourable to violent games than the demographics on wii.

 

The thing here is, 170k isn't an absolute. This number is going to keep growing. 170k isn't close to being MadWorld's full sales tally - Try atleast double that. Also, internet hype is really meaningless unless there's "real hype" as well. When thinking of PS360 games that had internet hype, well, they had "real hype" too. Killzone 2 had posters up here in Stockholm anyway, so did Mirror's Edge, GTA4, most all games on PS360 that have gotten any internet hype have gotten regular hype as well. With the Wii, it isn't so. There's no doubt more people on the street will have a clue what Mirror's Edge is, rather than No More Heroes (though most probably won't know either). Internet hype means very little unless it gets backed up by regular hype, and MadWorld wouldn't magically be getting regular hype if it was on a different console.

That might be the case with the wii, but I am quite certain that PS360 demographics are more familiar with internet hype than wii demographics.

Anyway, as far as I know madworld got some "real hype" too. Wasn't there even some weird bodyparts or something laying on the street as an ad? :P

 



Majin-Tenshinhan on 15 April 2009
Esa-Petteri said:
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Majin-Tenshinhan said:
Esa-Petteri said:
Well it could not have sold less on ps360.

Already stated, and it wasn't funny the first time either.

Facts aren't supposed to be funny.

Trolling is, though.

Facts aren't trolling, even if you don't like them.

 


Here are the facts:

1. I make a thread where I satirize the treatment of MadWorld by applying absolutely no backup to anything I say and claiming it as fact. This is meant to show off how nonsensical such behavior is.

2. You proceed to do that very thing yourself.

The only thing we can deduce from this is that you're trolling. Or you didn't read the OP. Either way, I'll be regarding it as trolling until you back up your statements, and I think most other people will too.

So you are saying that madworld would do LESS than 170k on PS360? How about you back that up?

 

 

Sorry bud - The burden of evidence is on you since you made the original claim. Now, cough it up. What have you got?

All I said that madworld could not do less on PS360. That is 2 platforms combined. I can't think of a game with that much internet hype on PS360 that has done less than 170k. If you consider the market share of PS360, it is bigger than what wii has. Also the demographics are generally more favourable to violent games than the demographics on wii.

 

The thing here is, 170k isn't an absolute. This number is going to keep growing. 170k isn't close to being MadWorld's full sales tally - Try atleast double that. Also, internet hype is really meaningless unless there's "real hype" as well. When thinking of PS360 games that had internet hype, well, they had "real hype" too. Killzone 2 had posters up here in Stockholm anyway, so did Mirror's Edge, GTA4, most all games on PS360 that have gotten any internet hype have gotten regular hype as well. With the Wii, it isn't so. There's no doubt more people on the street will have a clue what Mirror's Edge is, rather than No More Heroes (though most probably won't know either). Internet hype means very little unless it gets backed up by regular hype, and MadWorld wouldn't magically be getting regular hype if it was on a different console.

That might be the case with the wii, but I am quite certain that PS360 demographics are more familiar with internet hype than wii demographics.

Anyway, as far as I know madworld got some "real hype" too. Wasn't there even some weird bodyparts or something laying on the street as an ad? :P

 

I haven't heard anything about that, so if that did exist it must not have recieved much publicity. Also, you're missing my point. The games that get hype on the PS360 get posters put up by bus stops and stuff, that is "real hype". The demographics aren't my point, the point is that pretty much all games that have gotten hyped on PS360 have also gotten hyped in the real world, so to speak. When I go outside and wait for the bus I've seen posters for GTA4, Mirror's Edge and Killzone 2 at different times. When I went into the city there were ads for Halo 3(no shit), MGS4 and such at different times. Internet hype by itself isn't very strong at all.



blackstar on 15 April 2009
starcraft said:
Max King of the Wild said:
^ starcraft, mrstickball, and friends claimed NA would make up for the lost japanese sales. their reasonings were because SO is bigger in NA than Japan and that majority of 360s user base was in NA... they were wrong.

Also its a pretty damn good analogy considering that SO is the only PS2 exclusive game to turn into a 360 exclusive i believe. meaning that that is the only game we can compare a sales trend to... which isnt very good for 360 mgs4 more than ps3 mgs4 arguement

Don't try and cover you terrible and inaccurate analogy by re-interpreting what other people have said.

For reference, here is a post of mine regarding SO4 written prior to my post in this thread.

SO4 is a Japanese Role Playing game.  Some would call MGS4 a stealth game (for which there are decent selling precedents on the Xbox 360), others would more accurately call the latest MGS installment a shooter.  The only shooters on the Xbox 360 that had comparable hype too MGS4 are Gears (less hype) and Halo (more hype). 

If you would like too see how those games did, I think you'd find you're downplaying the ability of the Xbox 360 too shift hyped shooters.

 

u need some more info

http://www.google.com/trends?q=Metal+gear+solid%2C+gears+of+war+&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

 

 



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starcraft on 16 April 2009
blackstar said:
starcraft said:
Max King of the Wild said:
^ starcraft, mrstickball, and friends claimed NA would make up for the lost japanese sales. their reasonings were because SO is bigger in NA than Japan and that majority of 360s user base was in NA... they were wrong.

Also its a pretty damn good analogy considering that SO is the only PS2 exclusive game to turn into a 360 exclusive i believe. meaning that that is the only game we can compare a sales trend to... which isnt very good for 360 mgs4 more than ps3 mgs4 arguement

Don't try and cover you terrible and inaccurate analogy by re-interpreting what other people have said.

For reference, here is a post of mine regarding SO4 written prior to my post in this thread.

SO4 is a Japanese Role Playing game.  Some would call MGS4 a stealth game (for which there are decent selling precedents on the Xbox 360), others would more accurately call the latest MGS installment a shooter.  The only shooters on the Xbox 360 that had comparable hype too MGS4 are Gears (less hype) and Halo (more hype). 

If you would like too see how those games did, I think you'd find you're downplaying the ability of the Xbox 360 too shift hyped shooters.

 

u need some more info

http://www.google.com/trends?q=Metal+gear+solid%2C+gears+of+war+&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

 

That's some mighty fine cherry picking there.  Ignore the vast majority of my post.

But let's examine your info.  What it shoes us is that with the exception of a few spikes, MGS had a similar level of news hits too Gears of War.  But it's also important to note that many of the hits Gears of War received would have been for the first title that wasnt released too long ago.  MGS on the other hand, would have been almost exclusively MGS4 hits, as the last title was released in 2004.

Even more telling is that in the regions where the PS3 is the strongest MGS outdid Gears for hits.  Imagine if the gamer had been an Xbox 360 exclusive, what the gauges would have looked like given the console has over double the userbase in the Americas.

 



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Feylic on 16 April 2009

Wow, somebody isn't happy with their choice of console and has to take it out on others... :p



blackstar on 16 April 2009

^ RE5 ,it's sold only 300k more in NA
by the measures u r using it was supposed to do "better".



outlawauron on 16 April 2009
HappySqurriel said:
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There's been little proof of original IP doing well on HD systems. Madworld wouldve done just as poorly on the HD systems. HD gaming fans are set in their ways and would have shunned it regardless.

Assassins Creed, Bioshock, Mass Effect, LittleBigPlanet, Gears of War, Uncharted, Resistance, Dead Rising, Lost Planet, Motorstorm, Saints Row, Rock Band, Crackdown, Army of Two and Heavenly Sword not proof enough for ya?

How much of that is the XBox 360's "Amazing" ability to sell original IPs and how much of that is related to these games being highly rated very mainstream games with marketing budgets larger than the total budgets of No More Heroes, Okami and MadWorld combined?

Please, don't act like MadWorld wasn't advertised. MadWorld has been on TV since January!



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Zucas on 16 April 2009

Their supposed "evidence" is because it was an M rated title and supposedly a "hardcore" title. Apparently those sell the best on PS360. Except this would not be the case for a game like Madworld. It's really not difficult to test. Tell me the best selling stylized and/or ultra gory game on the PS3 or 360. Something around Madworld's level. Not to mention being a new IP and is not a part of a mainstream genre such as a shooter or sports game or racer. Please find me games on the PS360 that has done this.

Better yet, look on any console before the Wii and PS360 and find me where these titles have ever done well. Did Killer 7 sell well? No and not even on the PS2. Did God Hand sell well... of course not.

There is no basis whatsoever or proof that would even begin to suggest that Madworld (a super gory and controversial bloodbath that is stylized black and white, with outside of Ninja Gaiden is a fairly unpopular genre as of late) would do well on PS3 or 360 or any console for that matter. Sure there have been gory games to sell well before but look at those kinds of games and compare them to Madworld and you'll see vast differences.

So why would you say PS360 where there is no evidence whatsoever that a niche, stylized, new IP bloodbath would do well. Where is this evidence or assumptions we keep getting that it would do well on any console. People are only saying this to further bring down the Wii or Madworld for whatever their own agendas are. I'm not saying it wouldn't sell better on PS360, but there is no evidence to even back up a what if. No trends, no previous game sales comparisons... no nothing.

It's easy to say things guys with no backing just for the sake of defying logic and truth, but it takes a real justified person to actually give a damn about what they say. Try it every now and then.