Why was such a shit game like Haze put in the same breath as Madworld,haze sold badly because it just sucks.
I played it and it was terrible.

Madworld has low sales numbers just simply because ex clover members never make things for mainstream.
I never expected huge numbers and people complaining about length..well many of these HD games are 10hrs or less and 60$. plus it's a beat em up,they are not supposed to be long.

Okami is over 40hrs go play that if you want long.

Then when a game is over 10hrs people complain how they don't have time anymore for more lengthy games...so seems people are just going to bitch eitherway.

people don't seem to understand how niche the so-called "hardcore" gamer is. this gamer is little more than a myth. it's a term lots of us have tried not to use because it's so incredibly ill-defined, but decided to use on anyway because it is all but impossible to convey some similar idea without having to explain it every time.

anyway, GTA on the ds is a much better example than MadWorld. sales for that GTA is a much better indicator of "hardcore-acceptance" for the DS than MadWorld ever will be for the Wii.

Look fellas, I understand the "wait and see" approach in some occassions, but the game has sold 20k total in 2 weeks in Others. It's not even in the top 40 anymore in the UK after only 2 weeks. It's already selling half as much this week as it sold last week, and while Wii games do tend to have longer legs, games like this do not.

It's almost inarguably a bomb. A dud. It also bodes very poorly for more games of its nature on the Wii, as it was clearly considered a trial by other publishers.

That's the way the cookie crumbles. No one likes admitting that their system of choice has flaws, but this is a fumble for the Wii.

Just be happy that the Wii has caught so many passes this generation. Can't win em all.

Bolded. Yup exactly where I was going with the Haze argument. The only thing that got me is that 360 and PS3 gamers are forced by some Ninty fans that there is no doubt one of their games failed. On the other hand Ninty fans will say otherwise about their games.

I am a Ninty fan but I by no means think they are invincible.

My bias is usually always based on the underdog. Last generation I was rooting for GameCube to come back. This generation it will be the PS3. Granted they will not finish first, it has never been a better time to be second than this generation. Since all systems this generation are doing quite well with each other than past generations.

Then every game clover studios made was a sales bomb.

like a broken record Sega said it themselves,they are happy with it's numbers so they also were clearly not expecting huge sales.
PG might have hoped for better but they have been in this situation so much must be nothing new for them.

So maybe they just enjoy making niche games.

Bayanetta will be the bigger test since that game is being developed by RE creator Mikami and former DMC talent and aimed at a mainstream crowd since it pretty much looks like a DMC game with a different character.

Can we at least wait for NPD data before declaring the game a bomb?

Because its happened so many times on all systems that certain game has bombed because we simply didn't have the data then jumped to conclusions and acted like asses?

Whether the game bombs or not is completely dependent on how much Sega and PG expected the game to sell, and how much they need it to sell to not lose money.

Then again, Okami on the PS2 was a huge bomb and that game is one of the greatest games in existence, and it's not the end of the world.

Lovely imagery.

Things which make me want to buy the game: Graphic style (looks awesome)
Things that make me not want to buy it: Excessive cursing, bad camera, genre doesn't interest me much.

4-6 hours to finish a game wich would cost me 70$.... Hell No!