I agree that we should wait. Though it won't be much better hopefully it is undertracked like SFVI.

Yes we do make asses of ourselves. I just want to show that Nintendo isn't the exception that's all. Though I wish it was more of a Haze quality game that sold like this. I want this game to have legs and sell for many months to level off a shady launch.

This game should have done 100k first week with some legs. It is not Sega nor Nintendo's fault. It is the fault of the gamers passing a gem to buy polished turds. This game deserves more, even if it has decent LTD numbers.

I blame Need for Speed and Madden! XD

And Wii Fit! :P

This definantly doesn't help the argument that the Wii is for casual gamers, not hardcore :)

It seems to me as though third parties are being praised for just about anything they release on Wii and yet many of these games people are pointing out as being must buys are NOT must buys.

For example: Deadly creatures: Bad camera angle, glitchy controls. Could have used a little more time in the oven to fix these issues.

House of the Dead overkill: Glitchy graphics and way too much cursing. Could have used a bit more time in the oven and a director that knew when to call it quits with the curse words.

Madworld: Bad camera, too much cursing, short game. Could have used a bit more time in the oven to fix the camera and add in replayability.

Now let's look at those same games another way, how marketable are these games.

Deadly Creatures: Highly marketable if the developer put some work into it. This game should have had some advertising during saturday morning cartoons for boys such as spiderman, teenage mutant ninja turtles etc.

House of the Dead overkill: Not very marketable, it's a game based on B rated movies (which usually means low budget crap). Should have been advertised on some late night horror themed cable channels.

Madworld: Sin city.... that's your audience.... comic books. Are comic books popular still?

What confuses me is why people expect highly niche titles to sell as well as the games that actually appeal to the audience which the Wii itself caters to by default. The illusion that somehow the Wii crowd at large is "waiting" for this sort of game is just ridiculous. There have been plenty of games like MadWorld already released on Wii. None of them have ever come close to being mega-blockbusters. Why would this one be any different?

If the answer is because of the internet outcry for such games, then just remember, the ones who speak loudest rarely speak for the majority...

It probably doesn't help that a lot of the people wanting these types of games don't actually want to pay for these games.  You are much better off releasing a game for everybody then to release an M rated game as your target audience will most likely just download the game or buy the game used.

There is no argument for that, only the illusion by people trying to put down the Wii's success.

This game wouldn't have done much better on the 360 or PS3 either.

If you had actually played this game you'd be able to tell what a tiny budget it must have had. Not that that's a bad thing, it masks it well, but if you look at it from a purely financial standpoint I think the most expensive thing in the whole game might be that Steven Blum voices Jack. And that's probably not expensive at all.

Now, quote me on this, I am 100% sure that Sega have seen, or will see, a return on their investment for this title. Maybe not right now, but within a month or two.

Platinumgames, which is essentially Clover studios with a new name, has never made a high selling game. Nor have they ever made a bad game.

Their best selling title is Okami for the PS2, at 0.15 million sales. If we include the Wii version of Okami, which was ported by ready at dawn studios, then their high score jumps to 0.21 million.

Lets say that Madworld ends at a mere 0.3 mill, which should be easily manageable.

Great success, well done Platinumgames and Mad World

Maybe the OP is not a believer in the Wii Legs Fairy?

Maybe there's no such thing as the "Wii game sales" as a whole, because the various demographics among Wii owners are so diverse? Maybe it makes more sense to look at the sale pattern for games that appealed to an at least related target demographic?

Let's look for related examples in the past:

- 3rd person quirky, over the top action game: No More Heroes

- uncommon visual style: Okami

- violent content: Manhunt

Hmm, no Legs Fairydust traces on these.

This.

Because the Wii is a social machine it lives in the living room, and not tucked away on a second TV in a bedroom or something. And with the age of my children, that means I'd only ever get to play it after midnight and with the sound off.

And that's the *only* reason I don't have it already.

This will likely be a significant factor, not so much for 'hardcore' games as such but for those with extreme violence.