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Personally i think it would take more than 1gen to completely destroy the PS brand across the whole world which is what MS has been trying to do and failed and now what Nintendo is trying to do with the Wii,Nintendo always owned handhelds so that doesnt make much difference, in JPN they pick their console of choice early and its the only one this gen its the Wii with over 3million sold there already,PS3 is kicking and screaming over there but has less than 1.5million sold and the X360 well thats just dead in the water and trying to be resusitated but the doctors(MS) arent having much luck.
In NA i cant really do a proper analysis seeing has i dont really follow the industry there but its big enough(USA and Canada pretty f'ing big)to keep 3-4 consoles held high simultaneously so it doesnt matter as much as proven by the Xbox and X360.
EU/PAL has always prefered PS and Sony to anything and its presence isnt going to be easily forgotten just because of the Wii it will take atleast a Wii2 to win to come close to oblitrateing the PS brand in EU which is long from gone.
I think the only thing holding the PS3 back is the price WW its too expensive in all regions for the average gamer to buy without a serious hit to the bank balance.I think if the PS3 gets to at least $399/€399 then it will sell much better then it is now.



End of 2014 Hardware Predictions (03/03/14)

PlayStation 4: 12-15million

Xbox One: 7-10 million

Wii U: 8-9 million (Changed 01/04/2014 from 7-9 --> 8-9 million)

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AntiFanTard said:
The Wii will always be a part of the discussion so long as it's a competitor. To talk sales and not factor in all of the available choices doesn't make sense. There isn't even a doubt that its low price point combined with user friendly features has put a serious dent in the sales from Sony and Microsoft and its resonable to expect that it will continue to do so for atleast another holiday season.

This thread is a discussion about 360 and PS3 sales, it has nothing to do with the Wii, so please stop trying to derail this thread and please respect the wishes of the person who started it.



Mitsuhide based on the sales of the PS3 in Europe I have to ask the question does European consumer brand loyalty factor out to a strong conviction or a general like? I like to think when consumers make choices they factor in many variables. That happens to be my experience. Obviously brand loyalty is not overcoming the price, and I wonder if the price actually hurt brand loyalty. Consumers being upset with the high price and holding it against the brand.

I am trying to understand your point. Correct me if I am wrong are you saying that the consumer will intentionally put off the next gen purchase until they can afford a PS3 even if it is well out of their price range this holiday season? That is definitely a interesting perspective if true. In the United States we always seem to gravitate towards price, and technology long before we get around to brand consideration.



Legend11 said:
AntiFanTard said:
The Wii will always be a part of the discussion so long as it's a competitor. To talk sales and not factor in all of the available choices doesn't make sense. There isn't even a doubt that its low price point combined with user friendly features has put a serious dent in the sales from Sony and Microsoft and its resonable to expect that it will continue to do so for atleast another holiday season.

This thread is a discussion about 360 and PS3 sales, it has nothing to do with the Wii, so please stop trying to derail this thread and please respect the wishes of the person who started it.


 QFT, this thread is about a specific trend not the whole sales picture.  The Wii should be involved in any overall view but this isn't an overall view.



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Well its not always like that in EU otherwise the X360 would have outsold the PS3 in every country for every month in EU but it didnt(since PS3 launch March23rd07).EU try to buy things with Sony written on them as over here they are very reliable compared to Philips,Tecknica,Toshiba,Bush etc.Pricing isnt a major factor during holiday times due to bonuses and savings through out the year.I honestly dont know where and how the Sony brand loyalty came around in EU it just sought of happened when the PS1 released it was the present of choice for children across the continent and Sony got a good name from it and also Microsoft is seen as a bad unreliable company because of the OS's and X360 failure rates which a few companys over here advertised and said we arent fixing them anymore because we get about 2000-3000 X360's delivered every DAY that have RRoD(it was on N4G.com). I dont think many people hold the price to the brand because price always drops on electronics otherwise VAIO computers would have been out years ago but they are quite the stlye icon along with Macbooks over here(VAIO priced at £800-£2000(€1184-€2960)($1611-$4029))(Macbooks priced at £700-£1800(€1036-€2664)($1410-$3626)).



End of 2014 Hardware Predictions (03/03/14)

PlayStation 4: 12-15million

Xbox One: 7-10 million

Wii U: 8-9 million (Changed 01/04/2014 from 7-9 --> 8-9 million)

Around the Network

IMO, I agree with others saying the EU was the most effected region with the hardware issues, moreso than any other place.

However, I believe that with the price drop + promise of better quality and warranty, it's starting to trend more in MS's favor.

I would never of thought that MS could ever trump Sony in "others", but it might end up putting up quite a fight for a few years there.

IMO, the X360, with it's title lineup, should best the PS3 for the rest of the year in overall sales due to strength of title lineup, price, and lack of the 2 benefits for the PS3. However, I do fully expect the PS3 to overtake the X360 in Europe and such next year, and stay that way.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

I haven't been following the price drops of the HD consoles too closely yet, but isn't this pretty much how things are at the moment?

US
360 without price drop > PS3 without price drop
360 without price drop 360 with price drop > PS3 with price drop

EU
360 without price drop 360 with price drop > PS3 without price drop



Dodece said:
I am trying to understand your point. Correct me if I am wrong are you saying that the consumer will intentionally put off the next gen purchase until they can afford a PS3 even if it is well out of their price range this holiday season? That is definitely a interesting perspective if true. In the United States we always seem to gravitate towards price, and technology long before we get around to brand consideration. 

This isn't for me to answer, but since I also made the argument, I'll try.

The Playstation brand proved it was possible to sell a crap load of units in the PAL region, which is unheard of for home consoles. Before the Playstations no other home console had broke 10 million for PAL, both Playstations sold more than 40 million units, almost as much as they sold in America, almost twice as much as they sold in Japan. The PS3 isn't doing so well, mostly because of price, but they did have a pretty good launch, and have been outselling the 360 ever since (as you noted). It's also, surprisingly, even outselling the Wii in some, albeit small, markets. The PSP is also doing pretty well, in bigger markets like Spain and Italy. Curiously, the PS2's recent success is tied to the causal efforts of SCEE, some of which are unknown outside of Europe (like Buzz).

You also have to look at the competition.

Nintendo never did very well with home consoles in PAL. The Mega Drive even managed to outsell the SNES around here. Portables though, are a different story. The GB sold very well, the GBA moderately well, and the DS is selling really well too. Can they transfer that success to home consoles for the first time though? It seems so, but unless they really do steal the thunder, and Europe ends up a one console market like Japan, the PS3 will end up selling well here (as in, almost as much as in the America) and use Europe with Japan to outsell the 360 globally. It's also interesting to note how the Wii is targeted at the same crowd SCEE as been successful with as of late.

Finally, Microsoft. Xbox was a good start, but not that great. The 360's hardware problems have been mentioned here. One thing to note is that in Europe, the special 3-year warranty simply won't impress, as by law the machine is required to come out of the box with a 2-year full warraty serviceable in 30 days. I still think it's doing OK overall, keeping up with its more expensive but more recognizable "friend".

One thing that affects all consoles should be noted, though: this all varies very much from country to country. The Wii is wining on all big markets, but while some of those prefer the 360, others choose the PS3. In some of those big markets, the PS3 already overcame the 360's lead this close after launch. Other markets (as I pointed above) have the PS3 outselling even the Wii. True that America includes Canada, but the differences within the PAL reagion are much bigger than even that.

Finally, answering your question, judging anecdotaly from shelf space, the PS3 might not outsell the Wii this holiday season - but the PS2 a fair chance to. I don't think these customers will ever buy a PS3 because of its price, but I have my doubts if they'll ever buy a Wii (or much less a 360) either.



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Parokki said:
I haven't been following the price drops of the HD consoles too closely yet, but isn't this pretty much how things are at the moment?

US
360 without price drop > PS3 without price drop
360 without price drop < PS3 with price drop
360 with price drop > PS3 with price drop

EU
360 without price drop < PS3 without price drop
360 with price drop > PS3 without price drop

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US
360 without price drop > PS3 without price drop
360 without price drop > PS3 with price drop
360 with price drop ? PS3 with price drop

EU
360 without price drop >/< PS3 without price drop
360 with price drop > PS3 without price drop

 

360 still outsold the PS3 in July in the North American territory after PS3's 100US price cut. 360 didn't cut their price until August and we haven't seen the numbers for that month yet.

And in the EU, Xbox sold more this last month of numbers without the price drop, but hadn't managed it before. It's likely the warranty upgrade was responsible for the upswing. 



scotland yard said:

It's likely the warranty upgrade was responsible for the upswing. 

Why is that? Warranty is already a given in Europe.



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