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Tyrannical said:
I'll beleive in the global warming alarmist's theory when the Green movement starts to demand we build more nuclear power plants to "save the planet".

Until then, I think it's the biggest scientific fraud since the flat Earth.

 

http://www.wired.com/science/planetearth/news/2007/11/moore_qa

 

You mean like this.



“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.

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I'm all for more nuclear power plants. I just think we should invest in renewable energy as well.

Hell, even Bush was dragging his feet on nuclear power. What the hell!



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

akuma587 said:
I'm all for more nuclear power plants. I just think we should invest in renewable energy as well.

Hell, even Bush was dragging his feet on nuclear power. What the hell!

It's a game Neo-conservatives like to play... it goes something like this.

"Hey guys we don't have enough nuclear power plants!  We only have like 100 (not the real number)  We need like... 10 more!"


"Ah... ok."  (Rights are given to energy plants... building is delayed.)

"Hey guys... we don't have enough nuclear power plants!  We only have like 100.  We need like 10 more... give these guys the contracts to build more.

"Ah.... ok?

"Hey guys we don't...."  you see where i'm going with this.

Lots of work out there in just building the 26 or so nuclear power plants we're supposed to be making.   We could still use more though.

Well that and every time the enviromental policies change they have to pay people to come in and redsign freaking everything.

So even if Obama wanted them to go ahead they'd probably have to redesign everything sicne his enviromental polcies will thankfully be better.

Which he probably won't.  So those spots will probably just sit barren for another 8 years or so.

 



Kasz216 said:
akuma587 said:
I'm all for more nuclear power plants. I just think we should invest in renewable energy as well.

Hell, even Bush was dragging his feet on nuclear power. What the hell!

It's a game Neo-conservatives like to play... it goes something like this.

"Hey guys we don't have enough nuclear power plants! We only have like 100 (not the real number) We need like... 10 more!"


"Ah... ok." (Rights are given to energy plants... building is delayed.)

"Hey guys... we don't have enough nuclear power plants! We only have like 100. We need like 10 more... give these guys the contracts to build more.

"Ah.... ok?

"Hey guys we don't...." you see where i'm going with this.

Lots of work out there in just building the 26 or so nuclear power plants we're supposed to be making. We could still use more though.

Well that and every time the enviromental policies change they have to pay people to come in and redsign freaking everything.

So even if Obama wanted them to go ahead they'd probably have to redesign everything sicne his enviromental polcies will thankfully be better.

Which he probably won't. So those spots will probably just sit barren for another 8 years or so.

 

Its not just environmental  policy that slows the building of Nuclear Power Plants, its building in general. 20 - 30 yrs is the quote to start fresh and build 10 Plants in Australia. Well in 20 - 30 yrs time it will most likely be too late, we need to start upscaling, and lowering unit prices, on renewable technology that can go anywhere, on any roof, in any city. And we can start all this now, listen to T Boone Pickens or the former head of Sun Microsystems. They are all putting cash into renewables, please pay attention.

 



“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.

megaman79 said:
Kasz216 said:
akuma587 said:
I'm all for more nuclear power plants. I just think we should invest in renewable energy as well.

Hell, even Bush was dragging his feet on nuclear power. What the hell!

It's a game Neo-conservatives like to play... it goes something like this.

"Hey guys we don't have enough nuclear power plants! We only have like 100 (not the real number) We need like... 10 more!"


"Ah... ok." (Rights are given to energy plants... building is delayed.)

"Hey guys... we don't have enough nuclear power plants! We only have like 100. We need like 10 more... give these guys the contracts to build more.

"Ah.... ok?

"Hey guys we don't...." you see where i'm going with this.

Lots of work out there in just building the 26 or so nuclear power plants we're supposed to be making. We could still use more though.

Well that and every time the enviromental policies change they have to pay people to come in and redsign freaking everything.

So even if Obama wanted them to go ahead they'd probably have to redesign everything sicne his enviromental polcies will thankfully be better.

Which he probably won't. So those spots will probably just sit barren for another 8 years or so.

 

Its not just environmental  policy that slows the building of Nuclear Power Plants, its building in general. 20 - 30 yrs is the quote to start fresh and build 10 Plants in Australia. Well in 20 - 30 yrs time it will most likely be too late, we need to start upscaling, and lowering unit prices, on renewable technology that can go anywhere, on any roof, in any city. And we can start all this now, listen to T Boone Pickens or the former head of Sun Microsystems. They are all putting cash into renewables, please pay attention.

 

Pay attention to what?  I fully agree that renewable energy is the future.

I'm infact quite more radical on that then you i'd bet.  I think all of our money should be going to noncombustible "true" renewables.

What i don't agree with is using untrue fearmongering to get there.

Also in the US it takes much less time to build a nuclear plant.   Something like 7 years from the time of applying.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/09/25/business/energy.php?page=2



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Yeah, well I mean there are good reasons for having a lot of oversight on the construction of a nuclear plant (a faulty one would wipe out more people than 100 9-11 attacks and cause horrendous damage to the country), but we do need to streamline the process for sure.

At least Obama actually seems to be the kind of guy who is getting things done in office. The stimulus included a lot of provisions that are pro-green energy.  We had a lawyer who works in that field come and tell us about how happy the wind energy people in Texas are about it.

I mean if you love Obama or you hate him, one thing you can't say is that he hasn't done anything since he got in office. A lot of President's seem to twiddle their thumbs throughout their time in office.

I mean Bush used his first television address to stop research on stem cells. Ironically he was spending his time worrying about this and made the announcement on Aug. 10th, 2001, exactly one month before the largest attack on the American mainland took place. Maybe he should have been reading those memos he was getting about imminent terrorist attacks rather than worrying about stem cells!



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

akuma587 said:

Yeah, well I mean there are good reasons for having a lot of oversight on the construction of a nuclear plant (a faulty one would wipe out more people than 100 9-11 attacks and cause horrendous damage to the country), but we do need to streamline the process for sure.

At least Obama actually seems to be the kind of guy who is getting things done in office. The stimulus included a lot of provisions that are pro-green energy.  We had a lawyer who works in that field come and tell us about how happy the wind energy people in Texas are about it.

I mean if you love Obama or you hate him, one thing you can't say is that he hasn't done anything since he got in office. A lot of President's seem to twiddle their thumbs throughout their time in office.

I mean Bush used his first television address to stop research on stem cells. Ironically he was spending his time worrying about this and made the announcement on Aug. 10th, 2001, exactly one month before the largest attack on the American mainland took place. Maybe he should have been reading those memos he was getting about imminent terrorist attacks rather than worrying about stem cells!

No doubt about that.  Actually Obama lifting the Stem Cell research ban is probably my favorite thing he's done.

Either that or helping pass the anti-discrimnation law that increased the statue of limitations on unequal pay.  I mean you might not even know you were being descriminated against until 5-10 years later.

 

 



Yeah, the Labor Department under Bush was doing so little in terms of following up on those claims. I mean I can understand being against unions, but they were just sitting there letting employers violate all kinds of federal laws and just looking the other way.

Same thing with environmental policies, same thing with the financial markets. I mean seriously, what were all those government departments even doing under Bush? Even the Department of Homeland Security had its thumb up its ass.

I like Obama so far as President because he is a multi-tasker. He doesn't seem to get bogged down very easily. I mean he's accomplished more in 50 days than some President's do in their first year in office.

Fundamentally remapped our anti-terrorism policies
Passed a spending bill that would have made Bill Clinton blush.
Passed a children's healthcare bill.
Sent more troops to Afghanistan.
Taken a much different approach to negotiations involving Israel, including appearing on Arab television (completely unheard of)
Significantly improved relations with Russia
Revamped some labor laws
Proposed a budget with major overhauls on healthcare and education
Reversed stem cell research policy.

I mean that's a lot of shit for 50 days. And that's not an exhaustive list.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

megaman79 said:
Tyrannical said:
I'll beleive in the global warming alarmist's theory when the Green movement starts to demand we build more nuclear power plants to "save the planet".

Until then, I think it's the biggest scientific fraud since the flat Earth.

 

http://www.wired.com/science/planetearth/news/2007/11/moore_qa

 

You mean like this.

 

 

Yes, just like him. He's just about the only one though, and he left green peace back in the 80's over idological differences.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

Global warming is not exaggerated, it's simply a myth, a lie, a hoax