When top dog goes down people like to hate.

1. Link or it didn't happen. The 360 itself is a multimedia device and it was made by MS in the hopes of winning the console war. Company's make products with the intention of defeating their competition....but this isn't the only thing that they are concerned with. To say that MS's "goal" was the "fall of the PlayStation brand" is closing your eyes to reality: both HD consoles are getting pwnd by Nintendo.

2. You may not have looked at the post that I was referencing my response to. The overwhelming success of Nintendo is the reason Sony is in the situation they are now. It has nothing to do with Microsoft. The sales charts show this very clearly.

@djs:
That Nintendo ends this gen remaining first is fine for me. I'd only be totally worried if MS became first, it has a bad record of doing everithing that's legit and a lot that isn't too when it gets first place to keep it and eventually transform it into a monopoly. I would be worried too if MS were able to kick Sony out of gaming business.

People on this site make too much of a big deal about JRPG's.

Don't you realize the best selling games every gen aren't RPG's, but they're racing games (gran turismo), shooting games (halo, Gears, Grand theft auto), and platformers (Mario).

JRPG's are important, but not as important as shooters/drivers/platform.

This gen Playstations biggest games are Metal Gear Solid, Call of duty, Grand Theft Auto, Uncharted, Motorstorm, LBP and Resistance. Like I said shooting, driving, and Platforming.

Wii's biggest are MK Wii, SMG, and SSBB. Driving, Platform, and a fighting game.

360's biggest are Forza, Halo, Gears, Call of Duty. Shooting and driving.


So you get where I'm going with this? JRPG's aren't important in a consoles success. People like jumping, driving, and shooting.

Looking for link but pretty sure M$ didn't want Ps3 to be accepted into the living room because it has potential to take sales away from PCs if Sony expanded on it being the media center for the whole family at the living room.

coolestguyever said:
People on this site make too much of a big deal about JRPG's.

Don't you realize the best selling games every gen aren't RPG's, but they're racing games (gran turismo), shooting games (halo, Gears, Grand theft auto), and platformers (Mario).

JRPG's are important, but not as important as shooters/drivers/platform.

This gen Playstations biggest games are Metal Gear Solid, Call of duty, Grand Theft Auto, Uncharted, Motorstorm, LBP and Resistance. Like I said shooting, driving, and Platforming.

Wii's biggest are MK Wii, SMG, and SSBB. Driving, Platform, and a fighting game.

360's biggest are Forza, Halo, Gears, Call of Duty. Shooting and driving.


So you get where I'm going with this? JRPG's aren't important in a consoles success. People like jumping, driving, and shooting.

JRPG are fan favorites, especially on these types of sites. Shooters really weren't popular until Xbox and Halo, before that there were always a few good shooters here and there. Halo caused the market saturation of FPS today though just like GT really started racing trend. Ps2 really had no shooters and made good sales from their JRPGs. Only this gen are shooters really becoming top priority.

I think you took my post the wrong way. I was actually agreeing with you, and all my explainations were aimed at other readers. Which of us was unclear, we'll never know. I wasn't aiming my chides in your direction, and any simple truths I stated weren't meant to inform you, or others, but instead to remind everyone who read my post of the simple accepted truth that they may have lost sight of, dead horse beating though it might be.

That said, I stand by my last post, but add that it wasn't directed at you, nor was it meant as an insult towards your quoted section. I wasn't so much responding to your post as I was building upon it, and venturing into other areas of the topic that you didn't touch on, for the sake of the onlookers.

Know this. I certainly don't think you're and idiot. However, I know you've been around enough to know that if I was actually flaming you, you'd know it, and it wouldn't be all touchy feely like my last post. You said nothing flameworthy. Let's move on.

1. Well, obviously Microsoft wouldn't mind a multimedia device if it was their multimedia device. They just don't want a Sony computer in everyone's living room. And whether or not the HD twins are getting owned by Nintendo doesn't really have anything to do with whether or not the fall of the Playstation was Microsoft's goal; it was.

2. It's mostly to do with Nintendo, and Sony's own incompetence, of course. But it also has a little to do with Microsoft. They are clearly stealing potential Sony customers, and Sony would be in a much better position if Microsoft wasn't in the console business.

ZOMFG! You found it! Now I refine the recipe and we make 50/50, deal?

1. Make a JRPG with jumping, driving and shooting. And stealing underpants (*) too, just to be safe.

2. ???

3. Profit!

Warning, major real life spoiler!

(*) considering the widespread underwear feticism there, I just realized who are really the Underpants Gnomes!   

Edit: @badgenome:

I agree with both points 1 and 2. I already did, but I'd add again that just like Sony didn't expect Wii, MS too didn't expect Nintendo to gather most of the fruits of a war it didn't even fight.

At Alby:

We still don't know how well Microsoft will perform this gen. I mean they are more succesfull than last gen but how far will they go in this?

So it is early to talk about monopolys.

Sony defeated themselves right off the bat this gen. M$ only gained from what sony did to themselves. If sony had plaaned right (launch price especially) before coming in, nothing M$ has done so far would leave the gen looking like this except they just gave the 360s away.