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kowenicki said:
nordlead said:
Gnizmo said:

Kantor said:

That thread has nothing to do with sales. The idea of killing Halo is ridiculous, but I say Killzone 2 is better than Halo 3 in almost every way...

Find one person who said that Killzone 2 would even come near Halo 3 sales.

 First and fpre,pst, that is not the claim I was disputing. You said no one called Killzone 2 the Halo killer. That is wrong. There was an entire thread about it. Point number 2 I will oblige you on eventually I suppose. It will take a while to wade through all the crap predictions, but I am certain some ridiculous fanboy will have said it was. Of course this proves nothign as some ridiculous fanboy has no bearing on what rational people thought and said. Rabbid fanboys say all kinds of stupid things though, so you should avoid the word "nobody."

first off lol.

second off, try the game page. A lot of crap was spewing threw there. I made a sales prediction (I was way high too), and I was one of the few reasonable people there as some had it doing almost 3 million first week.

 

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=59696

havent checked the whole thread.. but on page 1 there are a couple over 1m, one over 1.5m and one at 2m

 

And there are also a lot of prediction under 700K in there. One person even predicted 400K WW first week...

 



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tombi123 said:
kowenicki said:
nordlead said:

first off lol.

second off, try the game page. A lot of crap was spewing threw there. I made a sales prediction (I was way high too), and I was one of the few reasonable people there as some had it doing almost 3 million first week.

 

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=59696

havent checked the whole thread.. but on page 1 there are a couple over 1m, one over 1.5m and one at 2m

 

And there are also a lot of prediction under 700K in there. One person even predicted 400K WW first week...

 

honestly 1m WW isn't that bad of a prediction. I figured ~0.5m Europe, and ~0.75m US (based on retail pre-orders from SCEE statment of 1.1m retailer pre-orders, with the assumption of those being European only). But it turns out it did almost exactly what CoD:WaW managed in its first week.

 




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Kantor said:
LegendaryOpponent said:

Am I the mere one that thinks that the Killzone 2 sales are a bit disappointing? 726k in four days is not something bad, I agree, but this is actually Killzone 2 – the Halo on PlayStation!

Anyway, fastest-selling FPS' on PlayStation 3 :

Call of Duty: World at War - 736k in 4 days.

Killzone 2 - 726 in 4 days.

CoD: MW - 445k in 4 days.

A little below what I expected, I wouldn't call them disappointing, though. Killzone 2 is not the PlayStation's Halo. Hell, apart from the fact that they are both FPS, they have nothing in common. It's like comparing Oblivion to Final Fantasy XII. Both are technically RPGs...

Anybody who thought this could sell even half of Halo 3's first week sales is extremely delusional. Halo did some 3.8 million first week. It did 900k in Europe, and yet some people stubbornly kept believing that Killzone 2 had 1.1 million preorders in Europe alone. Retailers!

I think it's a better game, but it won't sell more than half of what Halo 3 finishes at.

I read around Internet and there were actually people that believed that Killzone 2 could do a Halo 3 launch...

Well, considering Killzone 2's hype, I still don't see why it didn't sell 1 - 1.5M in its first week. Its hype matches SSBB's hype last year, and SSBB sold well over a million in its first week.

 



LegendaryOpponent said:
Kantor said:
LegendaryOpponent said:

Am I the mere one that thinks that the Killzone 2 sales are a bit disappointing? 726k in four days is not something bad, I agree, but this is actually Killzone 2 – the Halo on PlayStation!

Anyway, fastest-selling FPS' on PlayStation 3 :

Call of Duty: World at War - 736k in 4 days.

Killzone 2 - 726 in 4 days.

CoD: MW - 445k in 4 days.

A little below what I expected, I wouldn't call them disappointing, though. Killzone 2 is not the PlayStation's Halo. Hell, apart from the fact that they are both FPS, they have nothing in common. It's like comparing Oblivion to Final Fantasy XII. Both are technically RPGs...

Anybody who thought this could sell even half of Halo 3's first week sales is extremely delusional. Halo did some 3.8 million first week. It did 900k in Europe, and yet some people stubbornly kept believing that Killzone 2 had 1.1 million preorders in Europe alone. Retailers!

I think it's a better game, but it won't sell more than half of what Halo 3 finishes at.

I read around Internet and there were actually people that believed that Killzone 2 could do a Halo 3 launch...

Well, considering Killzone 2's hype, I still don't see why it didn't sell 1 - 1.5M in its first week. Its hype matches SSBB's hype last year, and SSBB sold well over a million in its first week.

 

 

Hype is irrelevant if the install base isn't there to go for it.  KZ2 sold very well for a console with approx 20M install base and smaller user base focused on FPS (than the 360), particularly in the US where console FPS has the best market.

No amount of hype can make a game in those circumstances suddenly achieve amazing numbers.  It's just not possible.

Look at the install base for SSBB to hype to, or the attach rate for Halo on 360 and you'll see what I mean - in those cases the circumstances made the sales possible.

For KZ2 1M first week was an outside chance - a solid 700 K or so always looked more likely.



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kowenicki said:
nordlead said:
Gnizmo said:

Kantor said:

That thread has nothing to do with sales. The idea of killing Halo is ridiculous, but I say Killzone 2 is better than Halo 3 in almost every way...

Find one person who said that Killzone 2 would even come near Halo 3 sales.

First and fpre,pst, that is not the claim I was disputing. You said no one called Killzone 2 the Halo killer. That is wrong. There was an entire thread about it. Point number 2 I will oblige you on eventually I suppose. It will take a while to wade through all the crap predictions, but I am certain some ridiculous fanboy will have said it was. Of course this proves nothign as some ridiculous fanboy has no bearing on what rational people thought and said. Rabbid fanboys say all kinds of stupid things though, so you should avoid the word "nobody."

first off lol.

second off, try the game page. A lot of crap was spewing threw there. I made a sales prediction (I was way high too), and I was one of the few reasonable people there as some had it doing almost 3 million first week.

 

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=59696

havent checked the whole thread.. but on page 1 there are a couple over 1m, one over 1.5m and one at 2m

 

 

You know, there's a point where sadly you have to dismiss some people.  IMHO just because someone claims KZ2 will do 2M in its first week doesn't make it a dissapointment when it achieves good sales for the install base and demographics it launches to.

When I see people quote silly numbers I just ignore it.  You look at the console install base, you look at the split per territory and you look at the past demographics of sales.  The 360 is clearly in a far better position to support AAA shooters.  That's it period.  KZ2 is a AAA shooter than will sell well on PS3, but it's not going to equal the 360 big hitters like Halo and Gears - however that doesn't make it any less of a game, just one with smaller sales prospects.

 



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Reasonable said:

Hype is irrelevant if the install base isn't there to go for it.  KZ2 sold very well for a console with approx 20M install base and smaller user base focused on FPS (than the 360), particularly in the US where console FPS has the best market.

No amount of hype can make a game in those circumstances suddenly achieve amazing numbers.  It's just not possible.

Look at the install base for SSBB to hype to, or the attach rate for Halo on 360 and you'll see what I mean - in those cases the circumstances made the sales possible.

For KZ2 1M first week was an outside chance - a solid 700 K or so always looked more likely.

CoD:WaW managed 735k week 1, where as this is an exclusive, and a very pretty looking one at that. From the demo it looks like a really good game (haven't picked it up yet) So 1m seemed (to me) like a very good chance. It also would have made it the 3rd biggest launch week for the PS3. It probably will make 3rd biggest once it launches in Japan in April as it is ~10k back right now.




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nordlead said:
Reasonable said:

Hype is irrelevant if the install base isn't there to go for it. KZ2 sold very well for a console with approx 20M install base and smaller user base focused on FPS (than the 360), particularly in the US where console FPS has the best market.

No amount of hype can make a game in those circumstances suddenly achieve amazing numbers. It's just not possible.

Look at the install base for SSBB to hype to, or the attach rate for Halo on 360 and you'll see what I mean - in those cases the circumstances made the sales possible.

For KZ2 1M first week was an outside chance - a solid 700 K or so always looked more likely.

CoD:WaW managed 735k week 1, where as this is an exclusive, and a very pretty looking one at that. From the demo it looks like a really good game (haven't picked it up yet) So 1m seemed (to me) like a very good chance. It also would have made it the 3rd biggest launch week for the PS3. It probably will make 3rd biggest once it launches in Japan in April as it is ~10k back right now.

I don't believe the 'exclusive' tag makes any difference right now.  There are a certain number of PS3 owners who will buy FPS, and of course the better the title/large hype expectation, the better each FPS will sell up to the ceiling of that number.

What we saw with KZ2 and CoD:WaW is a nice indication of what that means for 1st weeks sales of an FPS, around 700K to 760K allowing for errors in the estimate (maybe more of course as the numbers on the site are just an estimate).

Again, a title simply can't go much above the current install base unless it shifts a lot of extra consoles into the bargin - KZ2 clearly didn't, and in the current economy it would take an exceptional title, or one with teflon interest (like say Halo 3 on 360), to do that.

It's very likely that in US the majority of FPS orientated console gamers are already on 360, outside US its more split, and as Japan doesn't really buy a lot of FPS the PS3 advantage there doesn't help much with a title like KZ.

 



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Hi, I'm new in this page.... I'm spanish so sorry for my bad english

I saw in VGChartz that Killzone sold 350k in Europe  (why do you call Others?)... here in Spain Killzone 2 sold more than 350k first days.
Maybe 350k was only in UK but if you count all sales it could be 1M or higher.

I think first week numbers are wrong, it must be more than 1M (EU and US).

You can read the article here:

h ttp://euskalbart.wordpress.com/2009/03/02/las-buenas-ventas-de-killzone-2-en-espana/

"Las ventas en España han sido soberbias, superando las 350.000 copias en su primera semana..."

"Killzone 2 sales in Spain has been fantastic, it has sold more than 350.000 units first week..."

I wanna know how much this game has sold!

 



VGSpain said:

Hi, I'm new in this page.... I'm spanish so sorry for my bad english

I saw in VGChartz that Killzone sold 350k in Europe  (why do you call Others?)... here in Spain Killzone 2 sold more than 350k first days.
Maybe 350k was only in UK but if you count all sales it could be 1M or higher.

I think first week numbers are wrong, it must be more than 1M (EU and US).

You can read the article here:

h ttp://euskalbart.wordpress.com/2009/03/02/las-buenas-ventas-de-killzone-2-en-espana/

"Las ventas en España han sido soberbias, superando las 350.000 copias en su primera semana..."

"Killzone 2 sales in Spain has been fantastic, it has sold more than 350.000 units first week..."

I wanna know how much this game has sold!

 

If you look at the charts, it says that Killzone 2 has sold 353,294 copies in two days in America and 372,625 copies in four days in Europe. Thay may not be entirely correct, though.

I also believe Killzone 2 was released in UK on the 27th?

 



Squilliam said:
Hmm, Killzone 2 is almost officially IMO the 3rd biggest FPS series on consoles in this generation.

Yay?

Boo?

In any case its some pretty solid work there, I was disapointed in how R2 diminished against the likes of COD, however I believe that KZ has the stuff like GoW/Halo to go head to head against COD and prosper which is something very few FPS/shooters themselves can manage.

So KZ2 is going to trump Call of Duty 4 and World at War?

According to VGChartz, CoD 4 sold over 4 million world-wide on the PS3 alone.  Also, according to VGChartz, World at War nearly sold 3 million.

Now, I will say that KZ2 appears to be a lock AT LEAST for the 3rd biggest EXCLUSIVE console 3D shooter (First and third person.  Gears enables first person aiming, so it should be consider to be like Halo and CoD and KZ2) for this generation.  The first two, which are locks to be in Halo 3 and Gears (will count this as a series, because can pick either one and you are looking at over 4 million sales).