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Max King of the Wild on 05 March 2009
jpain333 said:
if I could get a dollar for everytime I read something negative about 360 jrpg's by sony fanboys.....

can't we at least wait a couple more weeks before we start judging the games sales?? I mean damn lets see how the legs are in N.America first...

if i had a nickle everytime starcraft said something negative about k2 id be richer than you



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jpain333 on 05 March 2009
Euphoria14 said:
jpain333 said:
if I could get a dollar for everytime I read something negative about 360 jrpg's by sony fanboys.....

can't we at least wait a couple more weeks before we start judging the games sales?? I mean damn lets see how the legs are in N.America first...

 

Take you own advice and say that to those to the ones who say WKC can't sell LO numbers.

lol...you can't be serious. yes i've heard it a good amount of times...but lets not compare the two...



jpain333 on 05 March 2009
Max King of the Wild said:
jpain333 said:
if I could get a dollar for everytime I read something negative about 360 jrpg's by sony fanboys.....

can't we at least wait a couple more weeks before we start judging the games sales?? I mean damn lets see how the legs are in N.America first...

if i had a nickle everytime starcraft said something negative about k2 id be richer than you

nice try.....

if you think that killzone 2 thread was worse than all the negative talk about 360 jrpgs...then I don't know what to tell you...



DMeisterJ on 05 March 2009
mrstickball said:
DMeisterJ said:
mrstickball said:
I think it's far too early to really be proclaiming anything. Do we know what Star Ocean 3's launch was like in NA? PAL?

We only have 3 weeks worth of data - 1 NA week, and 2 JP weeks. That's really not enough to base a lot off of. Is 60k in NA a disappointment? Yes. All we can do is hope that the NPD adjustments push it higher.

Nevertheless, Star Ocean 4 had the 2nd best NA launch, and the best JP launch of any 360 JRPG. PAL will be an interesting launch, but we'll have to see.

BTW, if your going to bash SO4 sales on 3 weeks worth of data, we might as well begin to bash failzone 2, as well. Since it was a massive dissapointment with it's budget costs.

What budget costs?  You work at GG and know how much it costs right?

Don't bash because you have no defense, bash based off of information that is true, not speculation.  The truth is that KZ2 has sold comprably to CoD: WaW first week, so it's by no mean a failure, while Star Ocean 4 has sold horribly, and had a horrible opening, and is done selling in Japan aside from 20-50k more on top of this weeks total. 

Don't fail.

We've seen litterally dozens of quotes about KZ2's budget, so it's hard to say that it's impossible to put a pricetag on what it cost. If you want to argue that, we can do it in another thread.

How is 60k a 'horrible' opening in North America? It's better than the launches of every other X360 JRPG outside of Lost Odyssey, and managed to beat out a lot of other non-360 JRPGs for debuts such as Persona 3, Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn, Valkyria Chronciles, and the list goes on and on.

I think the main issue is that we don't have enough data at VGC to know how legs are going to be for a game like Star Ocean 4. They could be good, or bad, we just don't know. I find it interesting that you say that Killzone 2 has done great, comparing it to World at War, when we know that very (and I mean very) few FPS games have legs like CoD4 and WaW have had, yet you compare them to eachother.

Also, I'd love to know where I was basing the entire LTD of WKC off of 1 week of sales. It's first week was great, and I am pretty sure I said that in the Famitsu thread that we had.

So basically we should speculate on KZ2's costs?  I see you're taking a page out of starcraft's book...  x_x

60k is horrible.  And then you name how it beat out VC, Fire Emblem, and Persona which have never been as big as Star Ocean has been.  Don't try to compare apples and oranges.   Star Ocean has been around forever and has a huge name, while all of those are niche game series.

I said that Killzone 2 is tracking close to CoD: WaW for the first week that it's out, which means that it's in good company.  I didn't say it'd be that good, or sell better than it, but for the ones crucifying it's first week sales, we should also crucify CoD: WaW's first week sales, which are comparable to this.



mrstickball on 05 March 2009
Euphoria14 said:
mrstickball said:
I think it's far too early to really be proclaiming anything. Do we know what Star Ocean 3's launch was like in NA? PAL?

We only have 3 weeks worth of data - 1 NA week, and 2 JP weeks. That's really not enough to base a lot off of. Is 60k in NA a disappointment? Yes. All we can do is hope that the NPD adjustments push it higher.

Nevertheless, Star Ocean 4 had the 2nd best NA launch, and the best JP launch of any 360 JRPG. PAL will be an interesting launch, but we'll have to see.

BTW, if your going to bash SO4 sales on 3 weeks worth of data, we might as well begin to bash failzone 2, as well. Since it was a massive dissapointment with it's budget costs.

I am sorry, but didn't Garnett get banned for saying that very same thing?

Killzone 2 is also tracking better than it's predecessor, on a much smaller install base.

Before anyone begins to complain about that....

I only used that wording because people are enjoying bashing Killzone 2 because of it's debut just like they are Star Ocean 4. We don't have week 2+ data in Western markets, so we have no idea how SO4 or KZ2 will track, so it's way too early to say 'stick a fork in it! It's done!'

For all we know, KZ2 could have great World At War-type legs and sell 3-4m or more. Or it could be the next Haze. We don't know. Likewise, Star Ocean 4 could plummet like Tales of Vesperia did in the US (58k opening, 120k LTD), or manage great legs like LO or BD have had, and score above a 6x multiplier in NA. We also don't have PAL sales. What if they pull a TLR and match NA sales? Would it be a bomb if it sold 350k in both NA and PAL and 250k in JP for a grand total just below 1m? Again, there are multiple paths for every game, and it's gonna take 2-3 weeks in every territory to see what's going on.

 



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badgenome on 05 March 2009
DMeisterJ said:
Euphoria14 said:
mrstickball said:
I think it's far too early to really be proclaiming anything. Do we know what Star Ocean 3's launch was like in NA? PAL?

We only have 3 weeks worth of data - 1 NA week, and 2 JP weeks. That's really not enough to base a lot off of. Is 60k in NA a disappointment? Yes. All we can do is hope that the NPD adjustments push it higher.

Nevertheless, Star Ocean 4 had the 2nd best NA launch, and the best JP launch of any 360 JRPG. PAL will be an interesting launch, but we'll have to see.

BTW, if your going to bash SO4 sales on 3 weeks worth of data, we might as well begin to bash failzone 2, as well. Since it was a massive dissapointment with it's budget costs.

I am sorry, but didn't Garnett get banned for saying that very same thing?

Killzone 2 is also tracking better than it's predecessor, on a much smaller install base.

Yup

badgenome said:

Link, plz

Can Stickball give a link to KZ2's huge budget costs?

I am not mrstickball, you silly bugger. Why don't you ask him?

 



Torillian on 05 March 2009

@Stick, when it came to WKC all you did was talk about how disappointing the sales were for a Level 5 JRPG, but when it comes to highly disappointing sales for the Star Ocean series you would rather wait until we have more information to see how it does.



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BengaBenga on 05 March 2009

mrstickball: come on, you know better than that. Please make your point without obvious trolling.



Max King of the Wild on 05 March 2009
Chris Hu said:
Since their are three times as many PS3 in Japan. Yakuza 3 actually did worse in its first week then SO4.

lol... come back when you have a better understanding. we tried to explain things but you are too stubborn to learn.



Shadowblind on 05 March 2009

To all of the funny little people in here saying 60k is such a god awful launch...

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=12261&region=All

Higher debut then TLR despite being surrounded by a Halo game, Resident evil 5 and zomg killzone, and TLR sold 600k and still selling. Save the hurr durring until we get somemore weeks numbers hmm?

Although I have greater reason to believe its more angry ps3 fanboys then dissapointed analysts. And I know it may come as a shock to many, but guess what; 360 JRPGs have LEGS in America; in fact they are never big frontloaded:

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=7400&region=All

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=2931&region=All

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=7637&region=All

 



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