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DMeisterJ on 05 March 2009
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mrstickball said:
DMeisterJ said:
mrstickball said:
I think it's far too early to really be proclaiming anything. Do we know what Star Ocean 3's launch was like in NA? PAL?

We only have 3 weeks worth of data - 1 NA week, and 2 JP weeks. That's really not enough to base a lot off of. Is 60k in NA a disappointment? Yes. All we can do is hope that the NPD adjustments push it higher.

Nevertheless, Star Ocean 4 had the 2nd best NA launch, and the best JP launch of any 360 JRPG. PAL will be an interesting launch, but we'll have to see.

BTW, if your going to bash SO4 sales on 3 weeks worth of data, we might as well begin to bash failzone 2, as well. Since it was a massive dissapointment with it's budget costs.

What budget costs?  You work at GG and know how much it costs right?

Don't bash because you have no defense, bash based off of information that is true, not speculation.  The truth is that KZ2 has sold comprably to CoD: WaW first week, so it's by no mean a failure, while Star Ocean 4 has sold horribly, and had a horrible opening, and is done selling in Japan aside from 20-50k more on top of this weeks total. 

Don't fail.

We've seen litterally dozens of quotes about KZ2's budget, so it's hard to say that it's impossible to put a pricetag on what it cost. If you want to argue that, we can do it in another thread.

How is 60k a 'horrible' opening in North America? It's better than the launches of every other X360 JRPG outside of Lost Odyssey, and managed to beat out a lot of other non-360 JRPGs for debuts such as Persona 3, Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn, Valkyria Chronciles, and the list goes on and on.

I think the main issue is that we don't have enough data at VGC to know how legs are going to be for a game like Star Ocean 4. They could be good, or bad, we just don't know. I find it interesting that you say that Killzone 2 has done great, comparing it to World at War, when we know that very (and I mean very) few FPS games have legs like CoD4 and WaW have had, yet you compare them to eachother.

Also, I'd love to know where I was basing the entire LTD of WKC off of 1 week of sales. It's first week was great, and I am pretty sure I said that in the Famitsu thread that we had.

So basically we should speculate on KZ2's costs?  I see you're taking a page out of starcraft's book...  x_x

60k is horrible.  And then you name how it beat out VC, Fire Emblem, and Persona which have never been as big as Star Ocean has been.  Don't try to compare apples and oranges.   Star Ocean has been around forever and has a huge name, while all of those are niche game series.

I said that Killzone 2 is tracking close to CoD: WaW for the first week that it's out, which means that it's in good company.  I didn't say it'd be that good, or sell better than it, but for the ones crucifying it's first week sales, we should also crucify CoD: WaW's first week sales, which are comparable to this.