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sharky on 29 August 2007
dgm6780 said:
Final is onto something tho. If only Sony would put out a model with no mem card reader or wi-fi and like a 20-40gb HD for $399 sales would really take off. The HD size matters very little. I mean an 80GB brand name HDD is $55 at newegg.com.

They need to copy MS and have 1 model that is at a considerably lower price point. The difference will be that Sony's bottom price point model is still FULLY functional. They still need to include a HD, just a small one and leave out the extras like wifi and memcard reader.

 Umm, the wif-fi, card reader, etc  dont add hardly any COST. Those things are a couple dollars to add on.

 

And cost is what's really keeping Sony from dropping the price.

 

They cant afford to lose unlimited money. 

If they could do that, then they could just drop the 80GB model to 399, because it costs about the same to produce as your hypothetical 40GB,-wi-fi,-card reader model. 

 



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FinalEvangelion on 29 August 2007
sharky said:
dgm6780 said:
Final is onto something tho. If only Sony would put out a model with no mem card reader or wi-fi and like a 20-40gb HD for $399 sales would really take off. The HD size matters very little. I mean an 80GB brand name HDD is $55 at newegg.com.

They need to copy MS and have 1 model that is at a considerably lower price point. The difference will be that Sony's bottom price point model is still FULLY functional. They still need to include a HD, just a small one and leave out the extras like wifi and memcard reader.

Umm, the wif-fi, card reader, etc dont add hardly any COST. Those things are a couple dollars to add on.

 

And cost is what's really keeping Sony from dropping the price.

 

They cant afford to lose unlimited money.

If they could do that, then they could just drop the 80GB model to 399, because it costs about the same to produce as your hypothetical 40GB,-wi-fi,-card reader model.

 


 About $20 for the Wi-fi / mem card readers, using iSuppli launch figures.  Now that you all mentioned it, I did see it in the rumor section of the recent Game Informer about the 40 gig.



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leo-j on 29 August 2007
FinalEvangelion said:
sharky said:
dgm6780 said:
Final is onto something tho. If only Sony would put out a model with no mem card reader or wi-fi and like a 20-40gb HD for $399 sales would really take off. The HD size matters very little. I mean an 80GB brand name HDD is $55 at newegg.com.

They need to copy MS and have 1 model that is at a considerably lower price point. The difference will be that Sony's bottom price point model is still FULLY functional. They still need to include a HD, just a small one and leave out the extras like wifi and memcard reader.

Umm, the wif-fi, card reader, etc dont add hardly any COST. Those things are a couple dollars to add on.

 

And cost is what's really keeping Sony from dropping the price.

 

They cant afford to lose unlimited money.

If they could do that, then they could just drop the 80GB model to 399, because it costs about the same to produce as your hypothetical 40GB,-wi-fi,-card reader model.

 


 About $20 for the Wi-fi / mem card readers, using iSuppli launch figures.  Now that you all mentioned it, I did see it in the rumor section of the recent Game Informer about the 40 gig.


So now everybodies leo-j? lol

 They are "according to them" not loosing money on europe ps3's. Maybe even gaining in some areas, like australia $1000 buks wtf? They arent loosing over 200dollars with the 80gig, and I doubt they are loosing $100dollars as well. The 80gig costs less than the 60gig and they are selling it for $599.99 so, I doubt they are loosing a significant amount of money per system. Maybe from the 40-70dollar range.



 

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goddog on 29 August 2007

removing wifi and card reader would save less than removing the hardware backwards compatibility, and considering a 40 gb hd costs more than a 80 right now (depending on cache size, and rpm) it would counter productive to the bottom-line price, mainly because it would require a mother board, and case redesign. they would have to sell a lot of the units to offset this disparity.  


in either case, it is odd to have a price break this early in a consoles life and would be far more out of the ordinary to have another one.

as for pack ins not costing anything, they do, development and advertising at minimum. more to the point they lose the say 25 dollars a copy they 1st party developers make. so say 50 bucks is lost in sales for each set sold with two packins. now considering last report i read sony was still eating 100 dollar lose pre price drop per console sold, that pust american units at a 200 dollar lose, european units depending on region between a 20 dollar profit and a 50 dollar loss, and japanese units around a 120 dollar loss. now if they can get game sales up non of that matters though, they need an attach rate like early xbox 360 to offset the loss.

this is one reason i am surprised MS has not moved the hdmi over to the core and premium sooner. though elimination of the core all together would be for the best, as would eliminating the 20 gb hd, 60 and 120 makes far more sense in terms of cost per gb to unit. really by continuing with the 20gb they are just hurting future download sales.


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dgm6780 on 29 August 2007

how did they launch it at $500 if there was only $20 difference in hardware. The difference in $ between a 20GB and 60GB HD is not $80. Guess they took a bigger loss on the $500 model.

My point still stands, a -memcard -wifi with the smallest cheapest HD (20GB or less) should be on the market before Christmas for $400-$450 if they want any hope this generation. This applies even if they dont go super low on the HD, they got to have a model in that window this Christmas or they or dooomed.



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dgm6780 on 29 August 2007

or sell it without a HDD but pack in a $50 gift card to Best Buy. They got to get creative if necessary to get the cost down.



FishyJoe on 29 August 2007
dgm6780 said:
how did they launch it at $500 if there was only $20 difference in hardware. The difference in $ between a 20GB and 60GB HD is not $80. Guess they took a bigger loss on the $500 model.

My point still stands, a -memcard -wifi with the smallest cheapest HD (20GB or less) should be on the market before Christmas for $400-$450 if they want any hope this generation. This applies even if they dont go super low on the HD, they got to have a model in that window this Christmas or they or dooomed.


 Is this sarcasm? They already tried this.



Sqrl on 29 August 2007

The 40GB model with stripped down features is very unlikely for the simple fact that they have already tried to make that type of unit sell with the 20GB. Ultimately I think the $500 price tag for the "stripped down" version didn't do well because people found it absurd to spend $500 on a lackluster model.

But how much would they really be changed by a $400-450 stripped down unit? It is still a lot of money to be paying for a "Lite" machine.

If I had to take a guess at what the next few months will be like I would say that Sony is going to ride the current 60GB stock until its completely gone, which should be sometime in Dec-Jan if the 2.5 million number was correct. If they run out in Dec they will probably hold position until January but either way it will be January or later before there is a price drop on the 80GB model and it most likely will be down to $500 since it costs them less to produce than the 60GB. We might see the 80GB move from $600 to something like $470-480 depending on how long it takes for the 60GB stock to sell out. Regardless of the amount of the price cut I seriously doubt they will introduce a new model, however if they do introduce a new model its far more likely to have more features and a higher cost than vice versa. Regardless there will not be another price cut after the lowering of the 80GB model until at least Spring '09, probably later.
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Borkachev on 29 August 2007

Something I've been wondering... does anybody have the numbers on the percentage of PS1/2 games supported now on the emulated-BC PS3 model? I seem to remember it was around 50% at the European launch, but they were going to expand support with every update. People talk about "full backwards compatibility" as a major reason to get the 60 gig model, but is this even an issue anymore?

Edit:

I found this site. The PS2 compatibility isn't bad, but the PS1 list... wow. I had no idea it was that bad.

 It's the European list though, so maybe a lot of the things missing were never released there.



Viper1 on 29 August 2007

Leo, do I need to link you to the bet by MS Xbox director of technical strategy Andre Vrignaud? He's the one perpetuating a rumor about a stripped down 40 GB model being launched over Thanksgiving.

Do I also need to link you to the video interview from Kaz where he says that Sony will from now on focus on a single SKU strategy and won't have two models out at the same time anymore?



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