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how did they launch it at $500 if there was only $20 difference in hardware. The difference in $ between a 20GB and 60GB HD is not $80. Guess they took a bigger loss on the $500 model.

My point still stands, a -memcard -wifi with the smallest cheapest HD (20GB or less) should be on the market before Christmas for $400-$450 if they want any hope this generation. This applies even if they dont go super low on the HD, they got to have a model in that window this Christmas or they or dooomed.