MikeB said: by 2009 the PS3 will be dramatically more expensive than a Blu-Ray player and people will stop seeing much value in the PS3 as a gaming machine (because its slow sales will have hurt its game library) IMO just speculations. With regard to games I think that's very unrealistic, it's clear the PS3 will have a huge games library judging from all the games being under development and many more new titles being announced regularly.

 such as? I haven't heard of that many latly. People seem to still talk about those games that was announced before the launch.

@ johnsobas

Blu-Ray hasn't won yet, but IMO the Blu-Ray vs HD DVD is a very different battle, Codecs are identical, more high profile movies are known to hit Blu-Ray due to various Sony movie studios, Fox and Disney, every PS3 owner has the option to watch Blu-Ray movies. Blu-Ray has a market share of 98% of the high def market in Japan.

The main ace HD DVD really has is pricing, yet it's being outsold 2:1 in even its strongest market, the US. But the pricing difference has got smaller. IMO it would take a miracle to turn this around.

With regard to PS3 vs other consoles there are too many unknown factors to make any reliable predictions.

he's probably talking about the many multi-platform games that PS3 has coming out. The GC also got many ports from the PS2 much like the PS3 is getting from the 360. Problem is that like the GC the PS3 is actually getting the worse game most of the time even though it is the more powerful system.

@robjoh 

For example some games you probably haven't seen anyone talk about yet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR1n8phgNqY

HappySqurriel said: For those who doubt the PS3 performing worse than the Gamecube: Without data for the "Total Others" region for the Gamecube, the PS3 has only sold only slightly better on a worldwide basis than the Gamecube ( http://www.vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=GC®1=All&cons2=PS3®2=All&cons3=GC®3=Total+Other&align=1 ); the Gamecube sold noticeably better in Japan and at a similar rate in North America. It is likely that more than enough systems were sold in Europe and Australia that the Gamecube is ahead by quite a bit.

being that i cant see any chartz but the ps3 vs. 360......... ps3 and 360 are selling at the same rate.. which proves my whole point exactly

This is hopeless. You have a system that is third sales. Following up two systems that dominated the market and it is not a failure? I mean every month, I keep hearing about when X games come out in a few months from now the PS3 sales will pick up. I am certain that will occur to a certain degree but will those games push the more expensive PS3 past its more inexpensive competition? No. I am sick of hearing bout will if you don't have a 360, the PS3 has a better lineup than the Wii. That ignores the fact that the cheaper 360 has a better lineup than the PS3. If the PS3 has the better lineup, you would keep hearing about well in six months, well when FFXIII comes out, well when MGS4 hits...

The bottom line is this, the general gaming audience is fickle and they will not wait for the PS3 lineup to improve. They will continue to pick up 360s and Wiis and the PS3 will continue to lag behind. I have yet to hear a reason why the PS3 will be the exception to the rule and overcome its dire situation. While the Sony fateful is waiting, the general gaming population will be happily enjoying their 360s and Wii and telling their friends about all the games they are playing creating the same continual snowball effect that allowed NES to revive the market and the Sony's PS1 to usurp the crown from Nintendo's N64.

MikeB said: @ johnsobas That's true that only a fraction of the people from last gen has switched but how you described it is not how things work. Funny that the same PS3 fans are arguing that Blu-ray has won when almost everyone is still watching DVD. The thing is that the PS3 fans are right in this case because once one side gets a much bigger market share, then the 3rd party support is decided and there is just no going back even if it's only a few percent of the entire market. Blu-Ray hasn't won yet, but IMO the Blu-Ray vs HD DVD is a very different battle, Codecs are identical, more high profile movies are known to hit Blu-Ray due to various Sony movie studios, Fox and Disney, every PS3 owner has the option to watch Blu-Ray movies. Blu-Ray has a market share of 98% of the high def market in Japan. The main ace HD DVD really has is pricing, yet it's being outsold 2:1 in even its strongest market, the US. But the pricing difference has got smaller. IMO it would take a miracle to turn this around. With regard to PS3 vs other consoles there are too many unknown factors to make any reliable predictions.

What about the 98% of the people that are still watching DVD??  How can it be decided when almost nobody has even bought it yet, and 2:1 is nothing. 

I'm just playing devil's advocate.

 Wii is outselling PS3 by 3 or 4:1 in Japan, 3:1 in Europe, and 2:1 in North America.  It would take a comeback of similar proportions for PS3 to catch the Wii.  As we've already seen the PS3 is selling slower than GC.

when you compare the 360 and ps3 they are selling at the same rate.. so that means the 360 is selling lower than gamecube too.. according to everyone..

its hopeless because everyone is focused soley on the ps3 and they leave out the fact that the ps3 and 360 are even but yet the only headlines you see are.. ps3 is selling slowly.. pssshhh

The difference is, URNotE, the 360 is gaining third-party support that once belonged to Sony. It's slowly gaining momentum, and some third-party developers (EA, for instance) have already chosen it as their preference for high-end power-games.