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FFXIII should not have gone to Wii, but other games should have. Who would want to play FFXIII on the wii over the 360 or PS3? I know I wouldn't. Might as well do a remake of FFVII if you want to sell something on the WII. Or some other RPG. Each new FF game is made to push the graphic capabilities and the emersiveness of the genre. If it was on the WII it would be counter productive to what making a new FF game is all about. 

Edit to respond to your Edit: Because Square Enix is a JRPG maker. And uhm well the xbox 360 doesn't have much of a JRPG market and the PS3 does. It's pretty obvious. 



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deathgod33 said:
final fantasy 13 should be for ps3 and wii. if they cancel the xbox version and decide to make it for wii instead, that would be a smart decision. but yet again, there's another person/company behind this demise.

This makes zero sense.

 



RVDondaPC said:

FFXIII should not have gone to Wii, but other games should have. Who would want to play FFXIII on the wii over the 360 or PS3? I know I wouldn't. Might as well do a remake of FFVII if you want to sell something on the WII. Or some other RPG. Each new FF game is made to push the graphic capabilities and the emersiveness of the genre. If it was on the WII it would be counter productive to what making a new FF game is all about. 

Edit to respond to your Edit: Because Square Enix is a JRPG maker. And uhm well the xbox 360 doesn't have much of a JRPG market and the PS3 does. It's pretty obvious. 

 

Does it? Why would it not? The PS3 has few RPGS, the only increase would be in Japan (200k sales at best, and fi you think that makes a big difference...lol). Most western JRPG fans have a 360 now. And if they wanted to expand western markets, why would they put it on the system with the smaller userbase in the west? 

 

Now, for pushing the graphics, thats not what ff is all about. Thats some excuse that came out with the hd systems. FFX and XII were on the least powerful system, the most loved ff (even though I think vi is best) is vii and it is not the most powerful game, and the remakers are on the ds when they could be on the more powerful psp. What makes ff is the universe and the worlds that SE creates, along with the gameplay. FF is not FF without chocobos, shiva, bahamut etc. FF is still ff with weaker graphics.

 

You make it sound like it is obvious 13 should be on the ps3. The ONLY reason it is on it is because they bet on the wrong horse at the start of the generation. Which is forgivable, I don't blame them for messeing up. But, for people to think that today, the hd system is the right choice for these games...it is laughable. Unless SE does not want to make as much profit. FF would sell at least as much on the wii and would have made tons more profit.



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Dgc1808 said:
I blame FF13... damn thin was announced like 3+ years ago right?

 

It was in 2005 we saw the first images..... wonder how long before that the development started.

Well, it couldn't have started until 2006, because dev kits weren't even available in 2005.



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The point is that their fanbase was concentrated in the playstation brand. At the beginning of the generation they started going exclusive with 360 games. Which has now split their fanbase. If they had focused on the PS3 instead of the 360 they would not be in this predicament now of having to cater towards 360 users in one region while focusing on PS3 users in another region. Splitting their resources and increasing their costs at a much bigger rate than they'll see in their returns.

And you can have all the remakes and spin offs you want on other consoles or with weaker graphics but when is the last time that a new FF game that wasn't a remake or spin off came out and SE wasn't blatantly trying to wow people with cut scenes and graphical prowess? Chocobo and shiva and all that shit are just character pieces used in the various FF games, they are not selling points. Stunning cut scenes and great character models and a graphically driven atmosphere are what the main FF series uses as it's selling points.

And I never said they couldn't make money off of the Wii. There is tons of money to be made off of the Wii. Just not with the main FF series. If they did that they'd be alienating much of their core fanbase and pissing them off. They could get the same return with a VII remake on the wii or a kingdom hearts or a tactics remake or sequel. It would be a dumb move to make FFXIII come out on the WII and lose a lot of it's selling points as the main FF series.



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nintendo_fanboy said:
This is hilarious here... Does anyone of you understand something about economics? The only thing mentioned in the OP is that the stock price was on a low last week. There is no direct relation between profits and stock prices.

Stock prices are highly psychological. Of course they should actually signify the value of an enterprise, but they do contain expectations, fears and personal opinions too.

Of course we don't know why S-E has delayed it's earnings report, and maybe they will show bad numbers then. But I doubt that they made a loss last year, and if they did, I'm sure they are intelligent enough not to think that this was because they "stabbed Sony in the back", and concentrate on handhelds and the Wii in future.

 

Yes, I understand quite a bit about economics. Enough to understand that

 

Economists are not gamers, nor for the most part, are people who buy stock in gaming companies

Therefore economists have no idea that 2009 will be so much better for SE than 2008

With no ability to judge the future performance of the company, they must judge the profits from the previous year

Therefore the stock price falls when it should rise.

Therefore if you have money, buy SE shares while they are still cheap.



RVDondaPC said:
The point is that their fanbase was concentrated in the playstation brand. At the beginning of the generation they started going exclusive with 360 games. Which has now split their fanbase. If they had focused on the PS3 instead of the 360 they would not be in this predicament now of having to cater towards 360 users in one region while focusing on PS3 users in another region. Splitting their resources and increasing their costs at a much bigger rate than they'll see in their returns.

And you can have all the remakes and spin offs you want on other consoles or with weaker graphics but when is the last time that a new FF game that wasn't a remake or spin off came out and SE wasn't blatantly trying to wow people with cut scenes and graphical prowess? Chocobo and shiva and all that shit are just character pieces used in the various FF games, they are not selling points. Stunning cut scenes and great character models and a graphically driven atmosphere are what the main FF series uses as it's selling points.

And I never said they couldn't make money off of the Wii. There is tons of money to be made off of the Wii. Just not with the main FF series. If they did that they'd be alienating much of their core fanbase and pissing them off. They could get the same return with a VII remake on the wii or a kingdom hearts or a tactics remake or sequel. It would be a dumb move to make FFXIII come out on the WII and lose a lot of it's selling points as the main FF series.

 

And KH is not about production values, with all the cutscenes and such? Really?

Anyways, all non nintendo, non halo games were concentrated on the playstation brand at the start of the generation. That's why its not important. Remember, most of the hardcore gamers were on the snes as well, and look what happened between n64 and ps1. FFVII went to playstation alot of fans were mad but it became the best selling final fantasy. So your point is incorrect. It does not matter where they were last generation, people can change consoles. Most people buy the console with the games they like. I had a ps2 only last gen, and now i have a wii and 360. And guess what? I am a big rpg fan.

FF is made by the stories, the characters, etc. it is not made by graphics. Just because it has the best graphics does not make it sell. Most final fantasy fans would buy it even if the graphics did not upgrade from last generation. Its about the game and the universe, not the graphics.



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the xbox crowd wont ever replace the install base for rpg's that sony has created. thats a fact. i dont know a soul with an xbox who has an rpg outside of stupid fable 2 or fallout 3.



You are getting game concentration and fan base concentration mixed up. Besides Halo the games may have been concentrated on PS2 but the Shooter and popular western genre fanbases were very much present on the XBOX, unlike the JRPG fanbase. There's a difference. If a shooter goes exclusive to the 360 then the fanbase is there to support it. But when an JRPG goes 360 exclusive it is not there to support it. Just look at the JRPG sales on the 360 for evidence of that.

You may have switched consoles but not everyone has. And that is my point. They split their fanbase into the two consoles. If all their games would have been PS3 exclusives you no doubt would own a PS3 if you are a RPG fan like you say. Then as a consumer they would have been able to sell you all of their games while just concentrating on one HD console. But now they have to concentrate on both consoles. And RPG's that are PS3 exclusive they can not sell to you. And RPG's that are 360 exclusive they can not sell to PS3 only owners. It was a dumb business move, plain and simple. When you have your fanbase concentrated you don't encourage them to disperse.

And you can't compare the switch from SNES to the PS as the original PS outsold the N64 by threefold. There is not even close to that type of discrepancy in userbase between the 360 and the PS3. If the 360 was to have Wii sales figures but still have the same hardcore fanbase then I would agree with you. But they don't.

As for the graphics, if they would sell the same without the graphics then why bother? SE sure must be stupid if they are wasting all their time and money with graphics. If FF were to make a new FF game and not include Chocobo's or Shiva or whatever other FF fixture you can think of but still have amazing Graphics it would sell the same and all the FF fans would still buy the game even if they are upset about it. Unlike if you put out a main FF title with poor graphics. It would get shitted on in reviews and get sales from only the most hardcore FF fans.

 

Edit: I have never really played the Kingdom heart series just watched my brother play a few times and it may be graphic intensive I don't know really what it's selling point is other than having the disney characters. 



outlawauron said:
Naum said:
Dgc1808 said:
I blame FF13... damn thin was announced like 3+ years ago right?

It was in 2005 we saw the first images..... wonder how long before that the development started.

Well, it couldn't have started until 2006, because dev kits weren't even available in 2005.

Designs of characters, writing of plot and artist's drawings can be done then. They have (and I hope they have as it makes sense to) probably started their designs and all that other stuff on FFXIV and we pray FFXV.

Sadly it seems gone are the days of FFVII-XI where we had a Final Fantasy game every couple of years, if even that. I waited a long time between FFX and XII (FFXI online only was sunned by me), seems I will be waiting at least 3 years this time.

 



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