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saicho on 06 February 2009

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you do know the sale number for The Orange Box on PS3, right?



MikeB predicts that the PS3 will sell about 140 million units by the end of 2016 and triple the amount of 360s in the long run.

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Max King of the Wild on 06 February 2009

^ you tdo do know orange box was 2 years ago and was a shitty port of an older game dont you. just look at bioshock to get a better understanding of CURRENT trends. (also since hl2 is an older game id assume it would of been closer to the 300k break even point and less than 10% to port. )



Pristine20 on 06 February 2009
scat398 said:
Pristine20 said:
scat398 said:
The concept that a software developer should bend to the will of a hardware manufacturer simply because they wanted to go in a different direction is foolish.

Plenty of software companies warned Sony their design was not developer friendly and they should consider a more standard PC design, it was Sony's choice to not follow their advice. Gabe Newell has every right to laugh and say "I told you so".

 

Also, the concept that a software developer should tell a hardware manufacturer how to run their company is foolish. If Gabe doesn't wan't to dev for ps3, he shouldn't but he can keep his pie hole from spewing insults while he's at it.

Hold on back up a second.  You're telling me that a company that makes games for consoles and PC's, Valve, should have no input with the developers of the hardware for the platform on which those games are going to be running? While that is certainley one way to operate your business it's pretty clear that listening to your customers provides better results in the long run. 

As far as Gabe shutting his mouth, when he gets asked a question he gives an answer, I don't see him scheduling a press conferences to spew these insults.  Although I agree sometmes it is better to say nothing.

 

 

So exactly how much support has Gabe ever given sony that now qualifies him to start spouting BS. Even companies that actually pretty much granted sony victories in the ps2 and ps1 era's haven't come up with BS like this. Last time I checked, there were no valve games on either ps2 or ps1 and sony won both generations. It one thing to like someone's games...it's another to worship him like blind sheep.



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Pristine20 on 06 February 2009
Final-Fan said:
Pristine20 said:
Khuutra said:
First rule of quoting a person, wherein one uses quotation marks, is to actually quote them. Do not paraphrase.

"The PS3 is a total disaster on so many levels, I think it's really clear that Sony lost track of what customers and what developers wanted," said Newell. "I'd say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a 'do over.' Just say, 'This was a horrible disaster and we're sorry and we're going to stop selling this and stop trying to convince people to develop for it.'"

Nothing he says here is particularly objectionable. Sony did lose track of what customers wanted, Sony did lose track of what developers wanted, that have been many people who suggested Sony should recoup their losses and try again, and if Sony said what he suggests they should, they would go a long way toward repairing their image.

Given that it's an interview where he gave the answer on the spot, I think he did fine.
If you ask me, that was the sentiment that got sega to canning saturn and creating DC which was an excellent console in it's own merit but look what happened. Something tells me he'll be the first to run far away if sony had canned the ps3 to develop another console. When it's not one's money or time, it's easy to pull statements out one's ass. Who would trust sony again if they had canned the ps3 to produce something else. I still think his wording was rather strong but I don't thnk we'll ever agree on that one so I'll leave that aside.

I've got to agree with Pristine20 on this one.  Newell isn't suggesting that they simply hunker down, ride out the generation, and do better next time -- that would be sane.  No, he's saying Sony ought to kill off the PS3 and immediately come out with something new.  That is madness.  I don't know if he just pulled that out of his ass without thinking it through, or is that ignorant of consoles, or maybe he didn't really mean to say exactly what he said; but trying to launch a new console at this stage would destroy Sony both financially and in reputation.  It would be at least as damaging as Sega's famous hardware death spiral IMO. 

The first part of his comment may be correct, and he's entitled to his opinion on the rest, but his opinion as stated is not very smart (IMO). 

Thanks Final-fan, most of these people who have no points just come out talking ps3 fanboy this or that, jealous of x and y marvelous games that valve created. Very funny indeed. Valve never developed a game for PS before. I don't even know why any so called PS fan would miss him.

 



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

BenVTrigger on 06 February 2009
Pristine20 said:
scat398 said:
Pristine20 said:
scat398 said:
The concept that a software developer should bend to the will of a hardware manufacturer simply because they wanted to go in a different direction is foolish.

Plenty of software companies warned Sony their design was not developer friendly and they should consider a more standard PC design, it was Sony's choice to not follow their advice. Gabe Newell has every right to laugh and say "I told you so".

 

Also, the concept that a software developer should tell a hardware manufacturer how to run their company is foolish. If Gabe doesn't wan't to dev for ps3, he shouldn't but he can keep his pie hole from spewing insults while he's at it.

Hold on back up a second.  You're telling me that a company that makes games for consoles and PC's, Valve, should have no input with the developers of the hardware for the platform on which those games are going to be running? While that is certainley one way to operate your business it's pretty clear that listening to your customers provides better results in the long run. 

As far as Gabe shutting his mouth, when he gets asked a question he gives an answer, I don't see him scheduling a press conferences to spew these insults.  Although I agree sometmes it is better to say nothing.

 

 

So exactly how much support has Gabe ever given sony that now qualifies him to start spouting BS. Even companies that actually pretty much granted sony victories in the ps2 and ps1 era's haven't come up with BS like this. Last time I checked, there were no valve games on either ps2 or ps1 and sony won both generations. It one thing to like someone's games...it's another to worship him like blind sheep.

 

 

Um last time I checked Gabe and Valve make PC games first and foremost. And believe it or not PC gaming is a MUCH larger demographic than console gaming especially prior to this gen.  Believe me Valve in no way "needs" the PS3 or sony at all. The reason Valve is down with programming for the 360 is because its programming architecture is much closer to PC coding than the PS3 thus it feels more familiar and easier.



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Pristine20 on 06 February 2009
BenVTrigger said:
Pristine20 said:
scat398 said:
Pristine20 said:
scat398 said:
The concept that a software developer should bend to the will of a hardware manufacturer simply because they wanted to go in a different direction is foolish.

Plenty of software companies warned Sony their design was not developer friendly and they should consider a more standard PC design, it was Sony's choice to not follow their advice. Gabe Newell has every right to laugh and say "I told you so".

 

Also, the concept that a software developer should tell a hardware manufacturer how to run their company is foolish. If Gabe doesn't wan't to dev for ps3, he shouldn't but he can keep his pie hole from spewing insults while he's at it.

Hold on back up a second.  You're telling me that a company that makes games for consoles and PC's, Valve, should have no input with the developers of the hardware for the platform on which those games are going to be running? While that is certainley one way to operate your business it's pretty clear that listening to your customers provides better results in the long run. 

As far as Gabe shutting his mouth, when he gets asked a question he gives an answer, I don't see him scheduling a press conferences to spew these insults.  Although I agree sometmes it is better to say nothing.

 

 

So exactly how much support has Gabe ever given sony that now qualifies him to start spouting BS. Even companies that actually pretty much granted sony victories in the ps2 and ps1 era's haven't come up with BS like this. Last time I checked, there were no valve games on either ps2 or ps1 and sony won both generations. It one thing to like someone's games...it's another to worship him like blind sheep.

 

 

Um last time I checked Gabe and Valve make PC games first and foremost. And believe it or not PC gaming is a MUCH larger demographic than console gaming especially prior to this gen.  Believe me Valve in no way "needs" the PS3 or sony at all. The reason Valve is down with programming for the 360 is because its programming architecture is much closer to PC coding than the PS3 thus it feels more familiar and easier.

Ok, now you've acknowledged that Gabe has no business talking anything PS in the first place since it doesn't concern him. I agree that valve doesn't need the ps3 but you have to agree that sony doesn't need valve either. They won 2 gens before and it wasn't because of valve games. Funny how the companies who actually helped them win previous generations are quiet about the whole mess but some fat guy that never had anything to do with PS before starts running his mouth then they say I should respect him. Thats the folly in all this.

 



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

vlad321 on 06 February 2009

I come in during my break and notice certain people posting after my last visit and i braced for some lulz. I was not disappointed....

More OT:

Having read a little more, are people actually bashing Valve as a developer? Please... Valve, Blizzard and Nintendo are probably the 3 untouchable studios who have a literal Midas' Touch. They can touch a piece of crap on the side of the street and it will be worth its weight in gold. Not to mention the fact that Valve (PC developer) is one of the very few studios actually making money and not cutting people. Another would be Blizzard (ANOTHER PC developer, is this a trend?) and some of Activision's studios and Nintendo, just off the top off my head. Though Nintendo is also getting massive profits from the Wii and isn't running solely on its software.



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HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

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BenVTrigger on 06 February 2009

@ Pristine 20

True I agree Sony doesn't need Vavle at all either and I can see why you or others would not like the way he talks since he is brutaly honest. I am simply amazed that there are people who can say K2 and GG are superior to Valve. Not saying you said that its just theres alot in this thead and its just rediculous.



Pristine20 on 06 February 2009
vlad321 said:
I come in during my break and notice certain people posting after my last visit and i braced for some lulz. I was not disappointed....

More OT:

Having read a little more, are people actually bashing Valve as a developer? Please... Valve, Blizzard and Nintendo are probably the 3 untouchable studios who have a literal Midas' Touch. They can touch a piece of crap on the side of the street and it will be worth its weight in gold. Not to mention the fact that Valve (PC developer) is one of the very few studios actually making money and not cutting people. Another would be Blizzard (ANOTHER PC developer, is this a trend?) and some of Activision's studios and Nintendo, just off the top off my head. Though Nintendo is also getting massive profits from the Wii and isn't running solely on its software.

 

As much as you think god might have sent those developers from heaven, others beg to diifer. Count me amongst them. No game from valve or blizzard has ever interested me and nintendo has not made a game i'd love to play since snes. You can put any developers on whatever pedestal you want. Just don't assume everyone is supposed to share your ideals.

As for the wii and it's profits, think of this analogy: Levi's sell more jeans than diesel...they appeal to the mass market because of their popularity and price. However, I love diesel jeans and would save up to buy the pairs I want. It's nothing against levis, some of us don't agree with the masses...it's that simple.



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

vlad321 on 06 February 2009
Pristine20 said:
vlad321 said:
I come in during my break and notice certain people posting after my last visit and i braced for some lulz. I was not disappointed....

More OT:

Having read a little more, are people actually bashing Valve as a developer? Please... Valve, Blizzard and Nintendo are probably the 3 untouchable studios who have a literal Midas' Touch. They can touch a piece of crap on the side of the street and it will be worth its weight in gold. Not to mention the fact that Valve (PC developer) is one of the very few studios actually making money and not cutting people. Another would be Blizzard (ANOTHER PC developer, is this a trend?) and some of Activision's studios and Nintendo, just off the top off my head. Though Nintendo is also getting massive profits from the Wii and isn't running solely on its software.

 

As much as you think god might have sent those developers from heaven, others beg to diifer. Count me amongst them. No game from valve or blizzard has ever interested me and nintendo has not made a game i'd love to play since snes. You can put any developers on whatever pedestal you want. Just don't assume everyone is supposed to share your ideals.

As for the wii and it's profits, think of this analogy: Levi's sell more jeans than diesel...they appeal to the mass market because of their popularity and price. However, I love diesel jeans and would save up to buy the pairs I want. It's nothing against levis, some of us don't agree with the masses...it's that simple.

I was talking financially, obviously enough people around the world like their products to keep them from cutting jobs. Sadly that can't be said for a whole lot of other studios.

 



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835