http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=2817

     So, you don't think that the page that the link above takes  you to says there was only a 15,000 difference between the Wii and PS3 and that was the smallest margin between any of the consoles?

Cling to that if you like. The fact of the matter is, the Wii has outsold the PS3 by close to 4 times in japan.

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=Japan&cons2=PS3&reg2=Japan&cons3=X360&reg3=Japan&start=39460&end=39824&weekly=1

You have yet to make a point that actually lands a real punch.

What is this bullshit?

But according to Koda, the company considers neither Microsoft nor Sony as rivals in the marketplace: "People often ask such questions, and we say our competitor is neither those companies, but consumer indifferent to games," he said.

Nintendo "We aren't competing with Sony or Microsoft"

The quotes are exactly-the-same. I'm reporting your post for trolling. Get of my thread and learn to read.

       Like anyone else other than the prof has.  The race between the Wii and PS3 is pretty much starting to head the way that the race between the DS and PSP started to go last year in Japan.

@BTFeather, I was mainly going on about how you were trying to talk about gamerankings from website and how that determines if it is a good game or not. So not everything you say is b.s. but not sure what the point is that PS3 sold less than 15,000 Wii in Japan. I guess in 100 years PS3 might catch up?

@BTFeather

Are you really using one weeks numbers as support?

First of all.  I am not a wii supporter.  Plenty of people here can attest to that.

Second, where ever did I say that the wii is saving the market?  Never did.  I would only say that the console gaming market is grabing market share from the PC market.

Third, I was saying to take MMO's out to make a specific point.  MMO's are clearly the strength of the PC market, and I believe will continue to be so.  To the point that eventually MMO's will dwarf every other gaming aspect of PC gaming by 10s to 100s times.

That when it comes to big single player games the consoles are stealing the thunder.  If you put MMO's back into the picture then consoles are merely just larger and growing faster than PC gaming.

Sorry to burst _your_ bubble, but when it comes to gaming consoles are where its at.  Eventually all big games, MMO's included will be on console.  Then we might actually see PC gaming shrink instead of being merely slower growing.

I think I'll do the smart thing and remove myself from this argument. Fact is all systems have good games on them and whatever system you prefer is fine.

c0rd, your logic makes all the sense in the world and I applaus you for it but look at the big picture. Nintendo hasn't done anything coming even close to saying "thanks 3rd parties, we are happy to have you", and the only one they care about is sega.
For a company that literally prints money, you would think that maybe they would invest in some third party core titles like sony and ms do.
But no, they do the opposite. Their strategy is to do what they want and let the companies come to them. Great business strategy, yes. But to me, it's arrogant, and shows me a "fine, we don't need it" attitude.

About your list.
First of all, you can get most of their release games for ~35$ so already they are 15-20$ cheaper than a wii game. Secondly, being portable is a big plus, so even a decent DS game trumps a slightly better console game.
Let me show you the reason DS is doing so well.

stuff like this. Stuff like this has turned the DS into the cheapest computer available. You can type on it, you can learn languages, you can busy yourself, train your brain, train your body, make appointments, make friends, play wirelessly online interact with things, long battery life and lots of support.

And 90% of this costs just 30$ per ability.  These three games pictured each replace a standalone with similar function. The first is 2000 japanese characters with stroke order and drawing pad for practice, replacing 300-700$ electronic dictionaries by casio and others.

The second and third? Paper in electronic form, with hundreds of hours of use. The DS has some fucking insane value. 30$ for something you could end up using for 6 years... Tell me the wii has this because it doesn't. Note: This is also why I am more than a little upset about the DS, less support, less compatibility, less battery, less games, more money.

The DS is a success because you can see the value and opportunity. It can replace pretty much anything you can write on using a pencil. Although the DS has games, it is also a tool. The wii instead replaces the actual activity as well as the equipment ....

Plus the DS is easy to develop for and so it has much more support from independants. The wii is relatively hard to program to get the wand function down.

However, blaming the devs is not the solution, because the same kind of awesome-ness is just not there. Also, you have listed some great games, at least triple the amount of what I would call core games than exists on the wii.

About the us vs them. It's true. Wii supporters have some twisted logic sometimes, so does everyone but I don't get in nearly as many arguments with others. I am a future Wii supporter. We are all in the same boat, but I know when to say that something is messed up with the games situation on the wii, and I don't try to twist the circumstances to make ps3 look better.

      Last year when MGS came out it beat the Wii in Japan.  When GT5 and FF come out, they will also make the PS3 beat the Wii in Japan, and that will just be the beginning of the PS3's momentum.  Kingdom Hearts is going to wind up being a crucial game for whichever console gets it because if it goes to the Wii, hey, it will win this gen imo, but if it goes to the PS3 along with some more Square games together with new games from Kojima and Yu Suzuki, then you would see the PS3 really start to gain some steam, and if all Nintendo has lined up for the core fans that are ticked off about the glut of casual games coming to the system is the next Mario and Zelda, the PS3 could either give the Wii a run for its money or become the dominant console by the time this gen is over.