Nintendo: "We aren't competing with Sony or Microsoft"

[dharh]

theprof00 said:

dharh said:

theprof00 said:

donathos said:
Hey, maybe we should have Outcast explain this all to the NPD group. Once they understand that the Wii & the HD systems aren't really competing (Nintendo said so!!!), they'll stop listing the figures together.

That way, follks like the OP can stop having this monthly crisis.

actually if you look at some stock analysis professionals think that the wii is taking market share away from computer-based gaming companies. Because they really have no idea why the stocks are going down. A lot of these professionals are really just professional at the method they use and not really that well informed about the subject they are applying their background to.

For example stock for nintendo had a low of 35 and a high of 70. the 35 was right before christmas season, and now its at 45. These people do not know what the fuck the are doing, so stop focusing on what the analysts and traders are doing.
They don't know shit, gaming is such a niche subject that nobody has really stopped to pay attention to the gaming world, it is about the least understood market among economists and traders because nobody cares enough to figure it out.

Read the news, everybody is excited about video games now, and people are fuckin' surprised about it. "Gee I never thought it would do so well and be this popular." That's the sentiment shared around the globe about this industry, but that is changing. As people are realizing that they are losing out on tremendous profits, they are finally starting to give it a chance and actually study. There are many that know what they are doing, but the majority is still in the dark.

Nintendo knows what they are doing and have said it several times now. Their target is non-gamers. HD target is gamers.

It's nothing to get defensive about, thats just how it is.

Don't you think NPD should be listing Leapster too? I bet leapster has about 10m WW, why isn't that included?

 

If you take MMO's out of the picture, PC gaming has been stagnating or drifting downwards. Many of the big PC games are also found on HD consoles now. Whats left are the low budget games, mini-games, etc. Sure that part of the PC game market might drift towards the Wii, but its the HD consoles which left the hole wide enough in the first place.

This is what I love. Whenever I talk about sales with a wii supporter it's always "if you exclude this" or "if you take that out of the equation".

I once responded to some dolt who said gaming was losing popularity and market by saying that gaming has been growing tremendously every year. He said that as a way of saying that the Wii was needed to stimulate the failing market. He then said, "well if you take the wii and the ds out of the sales, then gaming is actually falling 9%". What a stupid argument. You say that it is the wii that is saving the market and then include the ds which not many people actually have a problem with. Lots of people, even hardcorez like myself, love the ds and what it does for the industry. The Wii on the other hand, just doesn't have the same advantages as the ds, in terms of games, portability, price and so on.

but I digress....

"If you take MMO's out of the picture... " First thing in my mind- "WTF"

What kind of argument is that. I have never heard a more blatant disregard of rationale in order to prove a point.

MMO is part of the industry, it is a type of game that has been around forever. If RTS' controlled the market like back in the starcraft, war craft, red alert days, then your argument would be "take away the RTS's blah blah blah". It's a synonymous statement.

Right now, that is what is popular. You take it away like it somehow makes sense, but what makes more sense is that WoW is the biggest game of all time, and has taken gamers from other genres.

 The sales are increasing, it is just that the genre dominance changes.
This, you may find hard to believe, is why other games are having a hard time, this and piracy. And yet, lo and behold, amidst all the piracy that is going on, which is also growing every year especially now in the recession, pc game sales are STILL increasing. So take that bullshit somewhere else.

I'm not even going to focus on the resst of your statement because it relies on the "fact" that PC gaming is in decline.

@bdbdbd
I read your post, and I completely agree with you. Not one bit of it is something I have ever said is untrue. However, despite your logic, which I also feel is very accurate detailed, you leave one bit out.

In the part where Nintendo is going to follow the core market upstream, you have no timeline and you guesstimate at what will happen. No doubt that nintendo is going to put out some core games, but they also did so last year. So that is just obvious. The doubt that I have is when you think they will get more core games, because looking at the trend, I see more cancellations and downgrades from everything nintendo. From stellar zelda graphics on the GC, to the cancellation of KidIc. coupled with what I feel is a real slap in the face to core gamers for the last ten months.

 

First of all.  I am not a wii supporter.  Plenty of people here can attest to that.

Second, where ever did I say that the wii is saving the market?  Never did.  I would only say that the console gaming market is grabing market share from the PC market.

Third, I was saying to take MMO's out to make a specific point.  MMO's are clearly the strength of the PC market, and I believe will continue to be so.  To the point that eventually MMO's will dwarf every other gaming aspect of PC gaming by 10s to 100s times.

That when it comes to big single player games the consoles are stealing the thunder.  If you put MMO's back into the picture then consoles are merely just larger and growing faster than PC gaming.

Sorry to burst _your_ bubble, but when it comes to gaming consoles are where its at.  Eventually all big games, MMO's included will be on console.  Then we might actually see PC gaming shrink instead of being merely slower growing.