C'mon he was just being funny.

I hate everything about HSM as well and wish it to disappear, so I got the joke.

They're confused by the new demographic.  Its a new market.  They need time to experiment, they're not "stupid".

Perhaps someone could enlighten them with the game that will capture the Wii demographic so soundly, that it rakes in the big $ for them easily.  Casual Sports games?  Check.  Copies of successful Nintendo 1st party games, like MK:Wii?  Check.  Legendary IP characters that everyone knows, and appeal to families?  Oops.  Nintendo kinda has the ball on that one, don't they?  I don't think any 3rd party publisher's attempts on the Wii, thusfar, qualify as "stupid".  Far from.  No publisher has even had the time to both bank on the Wii's success and actually provide a high-quality title for it (they take 3+ years to develop).  Nintendo had no choice but to bank on the Wii's success, and thus... their games are polished and good.

Unless JRPGs are much less of a niche genre than everyone thinks, The Wii's heavy hitters this year will probably be from *drum roll* Nintendo as well.  There will be one or two 3rd party successes, and NEXT year, those successes will get copied and changed slightly.  The number of fresh new game concepts that come out of the industry each year is *really* small.  Most good traditional games (which the Wii demographic shys away from too often, it seems) are just good combos of other games, and well-polished.

This topic isn't even about third parties!

Well I think my faith in humanity went into the negatives. My goodness, there really should be like some form of checks before topics like this go up. I mean spare the loyal members for once.

I got the joke, its just that I'm trying to make a point to someone who doesn't wanna listen lol

I just picked that movie cuz it's a more well-known one, but no one cares that something like Sex and the City exists, as long as they don't have to watch it and movies that cater more to their tastes are still made.

The way I see it Nintendo fans are wanting to get rid of Racism. That doesn't mean they want to get rid of black people.

I have an 8 year old niece who'd be very upset if High School Musical didn't exist. Why should it bother me that she can find games to enjoy on the Wii? Although I did feel slightly embarrassed taking 'My Horse & Me' up to the cashiers desk the other day.

And WTF is a hardcore gamer? I've been playing video games for over 20 years and never even heard this term until a year ago... I suspect it's someone who lives at home well into their thirties, has never had a girlfriend and still gets involved in playground-style 'mine's better than yours' debates.

I've always been a casual gamer, right from when I was 'casually' playing on my brothers Amiga in the late 80s, through the nineties when I casually played on Sonic, Doom, Quake, Nights, Wipeout etc. It's supposed to be fun and not taken too seriously - gaming IS a casual activity.

I'm a casual gamer!

Do you have any real evidence that the majority of the Wii's userbase is made up of a new demographic except for the claims of (so called) "Experts" who had no ability to predict the Wii's success?

Personally, I don't know anyone who owns a PS3 or XBox 360 that doesn't own a Wii ... While this is (obviously) not a universal occurrence, I think it is fair to say that a large portion of HD console owners also own a Wii. Now, I could be wrong but I suspect that these multi console owners would buy a game in a genre they were interested in on one console if it was available on another console and it was a good game.

I know it is a crazy thought that a FPS fan might enjoy a FPS on the Wii, and that they don't completely warp into a new individual who only loves party games the second they pick up a Wiimote.

You have just written 5 paragraphs based on a ridiculous misunderstanding.

Maybe Ocarina of Time is one of my favorite games, but so is Dragon Quest VIII. And Castlevania III. And Suikoden II.

Just because someone says they like the Wii and past Nintendo games doesn't mean they're out to kill hardcore gaming. And we all have our own personal opinions and views of this generation, so placing sweeping labels based on our likes and dislikes just closes the door on any kind of discussion.

And frankly Outcast, you were the one placing labels and generalizing about Wii owners.