Amazing thread, well, this thread just confirmed my good impressions on Grampy.
Well thought out and all, bravo!

Okay, I still think the mistake is on me, as you are deriving things from my analogy that I didn't mean to present.

And I never said that the audience of a console was more clown-like or grown-up than the audience of another console, I referred to the consoles themselves in my analogy, the Wii being the pattern-breaker, so to speak. You can replace those two terms with say "Blue" and "Green" if you like, it doesn't change what I am trying to say. My point is that there is a clear distinction between the audience of the Wii and that of the PS360. You pointed out this difference in your original post:

I maybe wrong here, but isn't Iwata himself saying here, that Nintendo is not competing for the same demographic as Sony and Microsoft are?

I think you are mostly right here, but I can't be bothered to fight over details. Also, I don't like GTA and never have.

Perhaps instead of saying "grown-ups" and "clowns", I should have said "hardcore gamers" and "everyone". You make a fair point in saying that you are not childish because you play MK Wii, and I 100% agree. But I will ask you this, do you feel childish because you are watching a clown entertain? I certainly don't, but there is a huge difference between going to the circus and watching, say "The Matrix" in the cinema.

If one console provides more of one experience than other experiences, why is it wrong to see it in that light? I'm not saying "clown" is the right term to use here, right now I am regretting using that as it seems to have sidetracked this quite a bit. Instead go with the notion that the majority of games on the Wii are accesible to everyone.

The PS360 certainly doesn't have a library where the majority of games are accesible to everyone. This is because the demographics for these two consoles are not "everyone". They are aiming at the hardcore gamers.

A 7 year old child would most likely love going to the circus, but after watching "The Matrix" for two minutes, they would be bored out of their minds. Where as someone who is "hardcore", could easily like both.

And I was infact pointing towards the exact opposite of this. I said I liked what the PS360 offered better than I liked what the Wii had to offer me. I only concluded that the Wii has changed the market in such a drastic way, that a majority of the hardcore gamers haven't been able to accept for some time.

About being taken seriously though, that is a whole other story, which has nothing to do with the Wii it self, but with Nintendo and their games. Again I will refer to Nintendos E3 2008 presentation, where Nintendo made total fools of themselves (if you ask most of the hardcore gamers), but Miyamoto himself even said that Wii Music was more like a toy than actual game (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=193611 in case that was necessary). All this while the hardcore crowd was screaming for hardcore games coming from Nintendo.

What I am trying to say is that, I have full respect for the Wii and Nintendo in what they do. The Wii is a fine gaming console, and Nintendo can make good games. But instead of trying to please a minority (hardcore gamers), Nintendo are trying to please a majority (as many people they possibly can), and this direction has led Nintendo to do and release things that a minority of gamers are certainly not happy about.

I think this is the reason for why the people who have been shunning the Wii, are/were so much against it. Which is what I said in the first place.

Great article and exactly true. Anger and hatred are products of fear. People fear what they do not know. Thus ignorance leads to fear. Then continue with the quote of the little green jedi. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

But out of a cowardly sense of desperation they trash what they do not understand which they in turn fear. It's childish but human which you can see with a vast majority of the members on your everyday forum. People, like I've said numerous times before, need to be concerned with what's right rather than themselves. If at least some of the people did this some of the time we'd have a better situation.

Wii is not a threat to anything nor will it ever be. It's not a threat to the PS3 or 360's "kind" of gaming nor the mythical "harcore" gaming that so many have stood by. Nor is it a threat to the continuation of popular Nintendo franchises. Only thing Wii can threaten is the expansion of the market which last I checked isn't such a bad thing. That's what's right and that's what journalists should be writing about. The coexistence of both world and the recognition of Nintendo's respect towards the core and the casual.

Nintendo, like everything, has its flaws and we should get on that. Otherwise its just unprofessional and disrespectful which seems to go hand in hand with the media.

Good article gramps.

Now you are completely jumping off the wagon.

However I will correct and expand your analogy here for you.

The first Matrix was a ground breaking film(heavily derived from Mindwarp and Ghost in the Shell). It brought a fresh take to special effects and story telling despite similiar movies being released that year(Dark City).

The sequels ended up being more for the Hardcore fans and were not nearly as well recieved. In fact many people who love film would probably have preferred clown enterainment than what we got in the sequels but I digress.

Games like Mario Kart is more akin to movies like Wall-E, Finding Nemo, Shrek, and The Incredibles. All of those movies are family entertainment but they also have appeal outside of just families and many adults can appreciate or even likehem for they are.

In fact the infantile levels of these games are more akin to gremlins or spiderman then they are clown enterainment. SOme of it may aspire to behe Disney type but that doesn't neccessarily make it childish.

So you are saying I should have chosen a different movie then The Matrix? I know it is certainly one of the most hardcore movies of our time, but it certainly isn't for everyone either, which is what I was getting at.

Otherwise I fully agree with you, but the reason I chose circus to work with was expand on my former use of the clown, but obviously it is more correct to compare two movies, so thank you for expounding on it.

 Surely this just shows who they are aiming for with this game?  Which, IMHO, is the best place to aim it for.