Poor design is not a valid excuse. Saying the controller is at fault reeks of short-sightedness, especially when you consider the number of games which DO use the Wii Remote well. Also, the Wii Remote alone has more than enough buttons for any game, though not every game is ideally suited to Wii Remote-only controls as they stand now. There were some fantastically complex games control-wise designed for the NES, remember, and that system had only 4 buttons and a d-pad to work with. The limitations of a controller are only a setback when you lack the creativity to work within the limitations.

Ding ding ding, you are correct sir. Although, the wii remote is a little sluggish if you ask me.

Apology accepted. I actually see you in a whole new light. Not many can acknowledge their errors. I too am sorry for my choice of words.

Hating what "they" don't understand is pretty much human nature. This is not to excuse "them" but just to let you know that this kind of attitude is sure to exist with regard to anything you love. It's a fact of fundamental humanity. I've fallen prey to this attitude myself and strive to avoid it. The easy way I avoid this is to try not say anything about something I don't know much about.

ENGLISH LITERATURE AAAAAUGH

Oh... my... god...

It seems the error is on me, I should have chosen an analogy that wasn't so hard to understand! Or maybe you didn't read my last post?

Just to flesh it out a bit more then. This "party" is accesable once you have a gaming platform. There is no secret bar or anything more exclusive than the fact that you cannot play these games, if you do not own a platform they will play on. That is the "exclusivity". You can invite your friends or your family in for a while if you like.

If you bought either a PS2, Xbox, GameCube, Xbox 360 or a PS3, chances are you wanted to play a "hardcore" game. This is the party. The people who bought one of these platforms. Then comes the Wii. Buying a Wii gives you a ticket to this party, but instead of promising "hardcore" games, we are promised games like Wii Sports. This appeals to a whole new demographic compared to the other platforms, meaning that a new kind of people are invited into the "party". I never said the Wii users were clowns, I said the Wii was, compared to the other platforms. And clowns attract different people compared to things like somebody reading the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy aloud. (Another analogy, hope you can follow here)

Can... I... be... any... clearer?

Hahaha, you were just way more insulting. I'm sure you think Lord of the Rings is the most complex, brilliant, and compelling "hardcore" story ever told, but this is telling us more about you than about Nintendo.

If you bought that PS double, you obviously only bought it for true G games like GT, GH, and GTA.

Okay, now I am starting to think I am bad at making analogies. Anyway, you are very very wrong.

I never said anything about Lord of the Rings being the magnum opus of litterature, in fact I only used it as an example because it is long. And can we agree that a clown, doing some short worth of entertaining, appeals to a different demographics compared to a guy, sitting and reading aloud the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy?

Secondly, the only true G games for the PS2 I own are the God of War games, and this is despite never actually owning a PS2 myself. I have never owned a GT og GTA game (and I have never had interest in one), and I only played GH for a total of ~2 hours with my friends.

I can't decide if this party is terrible or awesome.

I think some are missing the point to this tread and this gens battle. Look right in the OP and the quotes by Mr Iwata.

Nintendo wasn't in some grand design quest to have the most powerful processor or the best rendering GPU or the best optical disc system on the market. They weren't trying to render their opponents obsolete. They were focusing on what they believed their customers wanted from the beginning of their design process and not some "my processor is bigger than yours" contest. And that is the essence of any industry, what the consumer desires.

Now I don't blame Sony or MS for doing what they did because that was the traditional model (polygons/sec) and they continued that tread. Nintendo went back to the drawing board with the DS and Wii and asked themselves "Well we can't compete with these corporate giants on graphics alone, that's what killed us 2 gens in a row and now even our handheld market is threatened, what do we do." And that's when they thought of a new consumer experience, and as such that proved successful.

Oh you were perfectly clear, and still are. I didn't fail to understand, I simply do not accept the whole idea that some consoles and/or the people who prefer them are more or less "grown-up" or more or less “clown-like” than any other. Especially because, not to put too fine a point on it, you are judging these games based to a large extent on their amount of violent content.

I do not, and never have accepted a fascination of violent games as a sign of maturity; almost the opposite. The combat veteran’s I know including two Green Berets and one from Delta, if they play such games at all prefer RTS to FPS. Just like the fact that I detest GTA because of the years I have spent documenting real urban violence. You only have to see and smell a few real acts of violence to lose your taste for it.

Do I feel childish to play MK Wii? Not fricking way and as far as I concerned, you’re missing just as much by not being able to play MK as I am by not being able to play MGS. The fact that two platforms happen to share a lot more software in common doesn’t make them a gold standard. Does the fact that GM and Ford make near clones make them superior to BMW who makes…BMWs.

But slice it and dice it and explain it and clarify it any way you want, there was, whether you recognize it or not, a clear underlying  assumption  that we are the true brethren, the insiders, and the Wii is an interloper, the outsider that needs to shape up and be more like the PS360 to be taken seriously.

This I categorically reject, and sales would indicate that I am not alone at this.