And WTF is wrong with shooters ?

 Not everyone wants cutsy childish pixar type stuff.

Yes, the 360 will have nothing but shooters once the beleaguered "Viva Piñata" is converted to the much more successful "Viva 1942: Piñata Battlefield", coming Fall 2008.

:D

The question will be what major non F/Tps shooters help get the 360 over that perception. Right now a lot of people are pointing to Forza 2, Mass Effect, Fable 2 and the like. But the original Xbox had Forza, Kotor 1&2 and Fable as well, and it was still largely considered a shooter only system. It seems like there will be a nice wave of RPG's coming the box's way, which should go a long way to helping out. Same with GTA4, which may have a lot of shooting, but should bring in a much wider demographic. It would also seem that the 360 is a bit more sport friendly than the original box.

 I realize that as a mod I should conduct myself in the most mature and reserved manner but... well... it's just that... you see... You're an idiot.

It would take an extremely large effort by Microsoft to change the image of the 360.  They're making games like Banjo Kazooie 3 and a few casual games but that simply isn't even close to what's needed.  They'd have to make at least 10 games of Banjo Kazooie 3's quality and secure exclusivity of some good third party platform games in order to build the audience and change the 360 from being seen as something for the hardcore to a console for everyone like the PS2 was/is.

Well, I don't.

Show me a prominent platformer, JRPG, offstyle racer, or adventure game on the 360 and then maybe you can tell me what to look up.

 Well wait a month, and if Blue Dragon sells well, you have one.

Oblivion sold well and it's not a shooter.

"The term "shovelware" has more recently been used in a more general sense by video game reviewers to indicate any product of disappointingly low quality due to a lack of time and effort by the developers. For example, Adam Sessler of X-Play described the Playstation 3 launch game Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire as "shovelware of the highest order", which took little advantage of the new system's capabilities and was rushed out in order for it to be a launch title [1]."

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shovelware

Anyways Lord N from what I see of your use of the word shovelware you seem to think it means games that sold poorly when in fact that is simply not the case.

So killzone2 is an idiot casue he really likes shooters and not more youger demographics oriented games.  Shooters are some of the biggets games in North America, so are you saying the entire market is idiots ?

I dont see why hes still a mod after a comment like that, if he had such a big problem with the guys post he shouls have Pm'd him.  Maybe the admin should moderate the mods, some people can be mods other should not.