http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=1220255

Hey you just owned yourself, congratulations.

@flames_of: I know, Star Ocean 4 and FFXIII are crappy games. The multiplat games WILL be of high quality, unless there has been a moneyhat involved which means a quick game, rushed. If they decide the game will be multiplat by themselves, then how can the game be crappy if it isn't rushed? TLR and IU were obviously rushed, or SE sucks at understanding the 360 architecture, you tell me.

Why does everyone deny Chocobo's Dungeon its due respect? It's not high profile but that doesn't mean it should be ignored.

@trestres
I would love for you to provide any shred of evidence to prove your claims, really, all you do is SE hates Wii cause I say so, I have no say in the company or the ability to read minds but I can say without a shadow of a doubt that it's true.

Claiming all of this while not showing any proof and ignoring facts shown to you or hell even the trends between DS and Wii, What did DS get at first from SE? Final Fantasy Chocobo Tales? Dragon Quest Rocket Slime? What does it have now? Final Fantasy 3 totally remade and brought to the US finally, a retranslated and remade Final Fantasy 4, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles RoF, Dragon Quest IX, and a retranslated and improved Chrono Trigger with strong hints of a new one coming out.

SE doesn't hate Nintendo they're a business, PS3 gave them support so SE would show off what a PS3 game should look like with the FF7 tech demo on PS3, they had the tech and the fans demand for a new FF game so here comes FFXIII, the console is not viable to have an exclusive game on now cause of how much money is invested into it ala FFXIII on 360, MS did pay for some exclusives to increase their Japan support that is all... and has worked up to a point.

SE is supporting Nintendo and will support the Wii, Dragon Quest is a main series a huge one in fact, they came out with Swords to do something unique on Wii, it didn't work out as great as they hoped but it was decent, they come out with Final Fantasy Chocobo Tales is an actual fun and good game. Then you get a WW game that is good, a new CC game with DS connectivity support as well as online play, with FFCC:tCB coming out with a full two year development cycle already behind it.

Sorry but FFCC is as much of a main franchise as FF tactics and tactics eventually made it into a full FF game ala FFXII, and you're insane if you think Dragon Quest isn't a main series. So yes they've thrown support the Wii's way of their own free will much like the DS and they're not stupid they're a business they're going to support the Wii in the future no matter how much hate you want to spew.

QFT Chocobo's Dungeon is great and everyone ignores how great it is!

soriku you are ignoring nomura biggest game it's a ps3 exclusive :P

SO4 and FFXIII are unreleased, I'd rather wait before judging quality. They look good, so far. IU is MS owned and LR is multi, it's only timed exclusive.

Besides, I thought the there was some agreement that SE making FF multi may have been a bit swayed by money. If so, is it a title doomed to fail then?

@Maxwell: But I've heard that same phrase a lot of times now, that in the future SE will support the Wii. Why can't they even hint at a game? Is that support real or just what people want from them? Maybe it's high expectations, I still don't believe they will support the Wii until I see some evidence. When I mean support I mean proper support, not afterthoughts. Support like the one PS2 saw.

Wii isn't that hard to develop for and SE has experience already, well at least the FFCC has because of the similar GC architecture. PS2 saw years with up to 10 SE games released. Wii has only seen Soul Eater this year, a game that was probably made by a team of 10 people with 100 bucks and that looks worse than an average looking PSP game. How do they expect Wii owners in Japan to take them seriously if all that they are gonna release are just spin-offs of their best franchises while the other platforms, every single one of them, is getting huge games.

The true motive for my anger is that they said a lot of negative things about the Wii, and then they were hypocrits, saying that they will not choose a console over the other this gen. Guess that they lied. The good Wii support is yet to come, I want to see a new IP, an established franchise or something that's not a port or an afterthought being announced for the Wii.

Q1 2009 has none of this, when will they announce them? I mean, will they?

That would be awesome if it's true.

@trestres
I'm glad you're reasonable(sarcasm) I mean you still fail to mention how good Chocobo Dungeon is and how good CC is now... but call it afterthought crap... so tell me all knowing and all seeing Nintendo game god do you even play these games you say are crap? Really? I highly doubt it... I highly doubt you play any Wii games as all you seem to do is complain about everything... go buy a PS3 and quit bitching, my God if the grass is so much greener on the other side none of us would mind if you just hopped the fence cause we'd rather have our discussions without you shitting on the whole thread with your trolling...

SE didn't have many great games on PS2, you have Star ocean and DQ8, FFX sucked, FFX-2 sucked, FFXI sucked, and FFXII was good but had some annoying parts and a lack of a good story.

Also you ask for main franchises but ask for them soon, if you knew anything about SE you should know it takes them years to release their main franchises, but what Wii has gotten was good spin offs like their WW title and Chocobo Dungeon and your only defense is a crappy SE game that only came out in Japan that no one cares about except for you cause you need some kind of evidence to prove your point which really doesn't prove shit.

So again I say if you really don't like what's coming out on the Wii just buy a PS3 or 360 none of us would mind if you stopped posting in the Nintendo forums all together.