vlad321 said: MikeB said: Crysis is still considered to be the best looking PC game, but I prefer the looks of Killzone 2. It's due to a combination of art direction/assets, amazing effects (such as the game's lighting) and animation. PC vs PS3, modern PCs have the advantage of being able to do higher resolutions and higher framerates. Having said that 720p with a solid 30 FPS is enough for the bulk of console games to provide a superior experience on a big HDTV screen (vs the 17 inch monitor I have on my desk and I don't want a bigger screen in my workroom anyhow). For me no fuss living room gaming is far more appealing, wireless Sixaxis controllers, big screen HDTV, kick ass 7.1 audio, etc. The PS3 has some important strongpoints compared to PC game potential, for one developers can focus on one specific core hardware configuration, secondly there is the Cell processor which provides various potential advantages (with effort) over much more costly PC processors regarding games/multi-media potential and the PS3 has Blu-Ray which allows for more content and graphics/audio content on a single disc. In any case Killzone 2 will be PS3 exclusive, nomatter costly modern PCs are capable of doing the game better in theory the game will not be on the PC. Killzone 2 may well become the best looking FPS. A new PC game may require 6 GBs of RAM, 1 GB video RAM, a 16 core CPU and what not and run in 120 FPS, 2160p and still not look as good as Killzone 2.   I really didn't want this to turn into a PC vs PS3 but I guess the PS3 fans won't let it drop. Hate to break it to you but any point you make after "Secondly" is completely pointless. My alarm clock probably has more memory than the PS3, and who gives a crap about how much you can store on a disk when you have a 500 gig HDD and no one is forcing you to pay per disk? DVDs are cheap right now, VERY cheap. Also if you are gonna go the directoin of arguing art direction, I'm sorry but KZ2 loses to so many other games with better art directions that it's not even funny. Can you say Psychonauts? You are also right, it won't be on the PC but it's probably better this way. It would get low sales since PC gamers don't like the dumbed down console shooters (any such games for that matter, look at UTIII) and then the devs will go on bitching about dozens of other problems (ZOMG PIRATEZ!!!) instead of admitting their game was crap compared to other, deeper games.

 

 I Know I have had difference of opinion with you before Vlad, But I'm 150% with you on this one. Nothing you can say to MikeB will make his fangoggles go away. Memory is the biggest drawback of the PS3. It could have a 25 core processor and still underperform. Even looking at the full system Bandwidth of PS3 it totals 48 Gbp/s. Even 360's full system bandwidth is 278 Gbp/s. But seriously dont bother. I would be absolutely fine with installing games with 4 DVD's as well. But I dont think he understands that.

blazinhead89 said: ALL the Killzone Haters in here, why do you need to Marginalise Killzone ? @Shio Those Shots arent even fair,You posted A dark screenshot of Killzone but next to all the Light Filled Crysis ones, Hardly fair. Killzone 2 will be the KING of all shooters . QUOTE me on This.

I hate to break it to you, KZ2 isnt that detailed or particularly great in graphics. It's clever in effects usage. And I hope youve noticed but KZ2 is consistantly dark. Another thread about KZ2 being awesome in graphics posted screenshots which lacked severly in texture detail. Because the game is dark and has good lighting mixed with other effects such as Blurr it looks better than it is. In stills it pales in comparrison to alot of games.

 

@ selnor

Your knowledge of hardware is to be shameful of and nothing to use as insult ammo. Really you add the Xenos internal bandwidth to your figures, that would be like me adding the Cell's bandwidth to the PS3 bandwidth figures (hundreds of GB/s).

Look the bandwidth to the Xenos daughter chip from the shared (with CPU) main RAM is not enough (nomatter what the Xenos' internal bandwidth is), that's the only reason why a high profile 360 exclusive like Halo 3 is only rendering in 640p with HDR but with AA at only 30 FPS. If you were correct games would simply fly on this imaginary console and run circles around gaming PCs. The EDRAM isn't there to add amazing physics or paint more enemies on screen, it's there to add effects like HDR and AA at good framerates.

selnor said: blazinhead89 said: ALL the Killzone Haters in here, why do you need to Marginalise Killzone ? @Shio Those Shots arent even fair,You posted A dark screenshot of Killzone but next to all the Light Filled Crysis ones, Hardly fair. Killzone 2 will be the KING of all shooters . QUOTE me on This. I hate to break it to you, KZ2 isnt that detailed or particularly great in graphics. It's clever in effects usage. And I hope youve noticed but KZ2 is consistantly dark. Another thread about KZ2 being awesome in graphics posted screenshots which lacked severly in texture detail. Because the game is dark and has good lighting mixed with other effects such as Blurr it looks better than it is. In stills it pales in comparrison to alot of games.

 

Not great in Graphics?This is still beta stage.You will eat your words, and there is nothing you (or any 360 fanboy)can do to marginalise Killzone2. What can you do?

hsrob said: If someone means the best looking CONSOLE game ever, then they should say exactly that. Without specifying, you are always going to beg comparison to Crysis. As for what proportion can play Crysis at it's best, that's hardly relevant when one is asking what is the best looking game. You should look at the games being compared at their respective bests. No one is denying that Killzone 2 is an awesome looking game but if you are going to make a claim like, BEST LOOKING GAME EVER, you have to be willing to back it up, not just give a list of caveates and excuses.

 

 

Hmm that's a bit of a tough call,I would have to say that Crysis and Crysis:Warhead look better,but when Killzone 2 is complete it has a shot at looking better.

blazinhead89 said: ALL the Killzone Haters in here, why do you need to Marginalise Killzone ? @Shio Those Shots arent even fair,You posted A dark screenshot of Killzone but next to all the Light Filled Crysis ones, Hardly fair. Killzone 2 will be the KING of all shooters . QUOTE me on This.

Isn't everything we've seen from KZ2 dark or gray, except for that CGI stuff?

MikeB said: @ selnor Even looking at the full system Bandwidth of PS3 it totals 48 Gbp/s. Even 360's full system bandwidth is 278 Gbp/s. But seriously dont bother. I would be absolutely fine with installing games with 4 DVD's as well. But I dont think he understands that Your knowledge of hardware is to be shameful of and nothing to use as insult ammo. Really you add the Xenos internal bandwidth to your figures, that would be like me adding the Cell's bandwidth to the PS3 bandwidth figures (hundreds of GB/s). Look the bandwidth to the Xenos daughter chip from the shared (with CPU) main RAM is not enough (nomatter what the Xenos' internal bandwidth is), that's the only reason why a high profile 360 exclusive like Halo 3 is only rendering in 640p with HDR but with AA at only 30 FPS. If you were correct games would simply fly on this imaginary console and run circles around gaming PCs.

 

 errr,errr. Wrong. There you go again, giving info as fact. Halo 3 runs at 640p for a reason but not what you stated. It is the only game this gen on consoles to have 2 buffers. 1 in 640p for HDR and 1 in 640p for LDR. This was explained by Bungie. If they used 1 buffer like KZ2 they sated that they would have done 1080p. ooohhh I love the way you leave vital info out. By the way 48 GBp/s that is including the Cells Bandwidth figures. *sigh* you obviously missed the maths lesson.

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@MikeB

Your posts are literally oozing with cherrypicking and ignorance. Vista? Let's ignore the fact that most people don't even have Vista for minute here. On 2 gigs my Vista is running at 600 megs of memory. That leaves me with 1.4 gigs. All of that can be put to a video game on top of the good CPUs we have. Even by cherrypicking and then applying more ignorance on top of your that, argument still fails. You also have obviously never programmed in Assembly. You learn to love every single damn bit of memory like it is your own child.

OMFG THE HORRORS!!!!! I HAVE TO SWITCH OUT A DVD! DAMN IT"S TOO MUCH WORK!!!! WTF is up with your argument? Did you really have no counterpoints worth mentioning that you had to go back to something as ridiculous as this? Who gives a crap whether they have to switch out DVDs for a game? I also really hope that you are not implying that streaming from a disk will ever be even remotley as fast as accessing data from someone's HDD. The streaming slows your system down even more and therefore developers have to cut graphical/audio quality to accommodate such streaming. You won't be getting your amazing visuals with streaming going on in the background.

Finally your COD4 remark. CoD4 is a weak game. A very weak game. You are also forgetting the Orange Box because it was tracked by Steam. Hate to break it to you but I know of a total of 3 people who have CoD4 on PC and dozens who have The Orange Box and play TF2. Even if that is anecdotal data, it does include a good 10k people that live on campus (meet a lot of them at the LAN parties).

blazinhead89 said: selnor said: blazinhead89 said: ALL the Killzone Haters in here, why do you need to Marginalise Killzone ? @Shio Those Shots arent even fair,You posted A dark screenshot of Killzone but next to all the Light Filled Crysis ones, Hardly fair. Killzone 2 will be the KING of all shooters . QUOTE me on This. I hate to break it to you, KZ2 isnt that detailed or particularly great in graphics. It's clever in effects usage. And I hope youve noticed but KZ2 is consistantly dark. Another thread about KZ2 being awesome in graphics posted screenshots which lacked severly in texture detail. Because the game is dark and has good lighting mixed with other effects such as Blurr it looks better than it is. In stills it pales in comparrison to alot of games.     Not great in Graphics?This is still beta stage.You will eat your words, and there is nothing you (or any 360 fanboy)can do to marginalise Killzone2. What can you do?

I dont need to do anything. The latest Gears 2 trailer shows that against the latest KZ2 trailer it wins. Both are cutscene graphics and the Gears 2 cutscenes are so much more detailed.