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Va1entinoZ on 09 October 2008
S.T.A.G.E. said:
forevercloud3000 said:
You are fooling yourself if you think that these games going MultiPlat are not part of the MS agenda to stomp Sony into the ground. When Sony sprinted ahead of Sega and Nintendo it was with it's own games. Crash Bandicoot, Tomb Raider, GTA(to console), Dark Cloud, Xenogears, etc. They ushered in new IPs to claim their superiority. Games like FF migrated as well but not becuz Sony moneyhatted, they PUBLISHED the game for Square after Nin decided to withdraw theirs for Square going MP. In return they turned exclusive to Sony. Sony in no way went gunning for all of Sega's and Nin's exclusives. Sony wins over developers "fair"ly for every company has a fighting chance. MS has no rival when it comes to funds. They just keep handing out the huge checks to these companies to either have Sony Exclusives go MP or jip the PS3 out of features and such. EA MADDEN 07 ring a bell? How the hell did MS KNOW that the PS3 version would not run 60FPS before it released?

Sony has had Crash Bandicoot, , Jak games, Shadow of the Colossus, ICO, Dark Cloud, Ratchet and Clank,Resistance, Uncharted, Warhawk, Wipeout, Legend of Dragoon,WKC,Heavenly Sword, etc.
MS has brought in Halo, Gears of War, Fable, Mass Effect, KOTOR, KOTOR2.

These are the games actually in Sony's and MS's actual 1st/2nd Party Repatoir. Games that were not stolen from another console but born and raised.

Sony knows about how to make good games, seeing as NONE of their 1st party is bad. MS not so much, hense they spend so much time stealing Sony's exclusives.

 

 Please. Last gen Sony survived off of 3rd party titles. The other titles were popular but didn't come as close. Sony didn't stop Nintendo into the ground only with it's own games. Think of all the freaking great titles on Sony that stood in the shadow of the commercialism of 3rd party titles on the Playstation 1 and 2. I loved both system and even I know that. I have a great library of PS1 and PS2 games as well.

Top selling Sony titles ever:

1.Grand Theft Auto series-Multiplat between GBC/PS1/PC....(The game was never exclusive to Sony until PS2)

2. Final Fantasy main series-Nintendo and then went to Sony. Nintendo got the left over shit.

3. Metal Gear Solid series-Started off on Nintendo and went to Sony

Alot of people gave Sony alot of credit for Tomb Raider, but it was multiplat. Crash Bandicoot was a great platformer for the Playstation that raked in the cash for Sony when Spyro and Tomba couldn't and Sony dropped the ball with it.

The only top selling Sony game that sold more than the 3rd party was Gran Turismo. PERIOD.

For your information Mass Effect is multiplat and you don't hear MS fanboys bitching about it do you? No. Why? Because Sony fanboys are loyal to a machine to the end. The exclusives that Microsoft managed to gather from Sony realized the profits they could make by being multiplat. Microsoft has a much more active installed base still. Soul Calibur IV on 360 outsold the PS3 version because of that installed base. Alot of people who own PS3's and Xbox 360's actually have a large base from owning PS2's. Obviously that you can see that alot of gamers fled to the 360. I did it, but I'm still buying a PS3 with Tekken 6 and Soul Calibur IV. I just so happen to believe that fighting games play better with a Playstation controller and that is that. I have the choice because I will be able to logically choose the strengths of both systems. I have no attachment to PS3 nor the 360. Come on man, you're better than this. I have great respect that you are making games, but if you're going to make games, you have to understand the nature of business. Sony and Microsoft are cut throat corporate giants. Don't ever let down your guard on either of them. Explain something to me and this I really want to know. If Microsoft was shelling out all their money to get 3rd party games, then why did they have such a powerful system last games and all of the interesting games were 1st and 2nd party and the rest sucked? Where were all of the 3rd party games that they were supposed to shell out money for man?

Corporate attributes:

 

-Microsoft:Cut throat and has monopolistic tendencies. Currently hiding their cockiness behind a humble coat until they destroy Sony. Will fire developers but procure IP's. Before videogames they worked on OS and programs compatible and hardware while monopolizing that market.

-Sony:Cut throat, extremely cocky and blind & proud. Has a lack of consideration for investments unless they are top sellers (Hence why they mainly showed off 3rd party games rather than 1st party in the gens before). Has not had the power ever to monopolize anything although they aspire to (Hence why they bought Columbia Pictures). They've successfuly become a conglomerate.

Come on man. They are both a very similar beast.

Sure they r. But if MS replaced Sega, who will replace Sony?

 




 

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NiKKoM on 09 October 2008

Hmmmm.... meltdowns are strong in this one... *tip toes out of this thread*



 

Face the future.. Gamecenter ID: nikkom_nl (oh no he didn't!!) 

sinha on 09 October 2008
Va1entinoZ said:

There sould be a competition. Stop stranglig Sony. Why can't u find ur own devs. Why can't u prove that ur console is better by making ur own games. Answer on every exclusive with ur own. I agree money are money, but i beg u make them with ur own hands, not with hands that made Sony. I don't want one console market. U've proven that u are strong, everyone sees it. Now stop it, stop it 'couse it's just to selfish.

 

LOL

You don't have to know what "schadenfreude" means to enjoy the meltdowns whenever yet another PS3 exclusive goes multiplatform...

 



We don't provide the 'easy to program for' console that they [developers] want, because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so the question is what do you do for the rest of the nine and half years? It's a learning process. - SCEI president Kaz Hirai

It's a virus where you buy it and you play it with your friends and they're like, "Oh my God that's so cool, I'm gonna go buy it." So you stop playing it after two months, but they buy it and they stop playing it after two months but they've showed it to someone else who then go out and buy it and so on. Everyone I know bought one and nobody turns it on. - Epic Games president Mike Capps

We have a real culture of thrift. The goal that I had in bringing a lot of the packaged goods folks into Activision about 10 years ago was to take all the fun out of making video games. - Activision CEO Bobby Kotick

 

FaRmLaNd on 09 October 2008

ROFL ROFL ROFL

The fact that Sony made a statement saying they aren't going to moneyhat games anymore is clearly indicative that they did infact pay for exclusivity in the past. Why the hell would you be exclusive to sony? They don't pay for exclusivity, the hardware is difficult to develop for, pc releases void the exclusivity, the 360's install base is larger, etc etc etc. It makes ZERO sense to be exclusive to the ps3. Microsoft atleast offers incentives for exclusivity.

The reality is Sony is either going to see all of its 3rd party exclusives become multi-platform releases with the 360 or the developers will simply make a wii or DS game. Its that simple.



mwjw696 on 09 October 2008
forevercloud3000 said:
You are fooling yourself if you think that these games going MultiPlat are not part of the MS agenda to stomp Sony into the ground. When Sony sprinted ahead of Sega and Nintendo it was with it's own games. Crash Bandicoot, Tomb Raider, GTA(to console), Dark Cloud, Xenogears, etc. They ushered in new IPs to claim their superiority. Games like FF migrated as well but not becuz Sony moneyhatted, they PUBLISHED the game for Square after Nin decided to withdraw theirs for Square going MP. In return they turned exclusive to Sony. Sony in no way went gunning for all of Sega's and Nin's exclusives. Sony wins over developers "fair"ly for every company has a fighting chance. MS has no rival when it comes to funds. They just keep handing out the huge checks to these companies to either have Sony Exclusives go MP or jip the PS3 out of features and such. EA MADDEN 07 ring a bell? How the hell did MS KNOW that the PS3 version would not run 60FPS before it released?

Sony has had Crash Bandicoot, , Jak games, Shadow of the Colossus, ICO, Dark Cloud, Ratchet and Clank,Resistance, Uncharted, Warhawk, Wipeout, Legend of Dragoon,WKC,Heavenly Sword, etc.
MS has brought in Halo, Gears of War, Fable, Mass Effect, KOTOR, KOTOR2.

These are the games actually in Sony's and MS's actual 1st/2nd Party Repatoir. Games that were not stolen from another console but born and raised.

Sony knows about how to make good games, seeing as NONE of their 1st party is bad. MS not so much, hense they spend so much time stealing Sony's exclusives.

 

 

Where to begin in your epic list of fan boy fails. Others might let you get away with this, but I on the other had like to make fun of others stupidity and Fanboyisms.

First Microsoft does not need a giant agenda to stomp out Sony; they are doing it to themselves. Let’s see crash was made by naughty dog that originally did a couple games on the Genesis and 3DO, and then Sony bought the studio… sound familiar. If you know anything about Square history you know they went to Sony only because of CD’s cost and not because Nintendo did anything to them. Don’t sit on your ass and lie about Sony “never pays for exclusives they only get them fairly” to us. The only reason Sony might not do now, (key word MIGHT) is because they are in the hole 3 BILLION DOLLORS! They can’t even afford to pay the electric bill let alone pay for exclusives.

 You know how they new Madden 07 did run at 60FPS…. THEY GOT A COPY EARLY! Dear god you spout more bullshit conspiracy theories then some of these crazy fuckers and 9-11.

The problem with you is your only seeing what you want to see… You’re always going to see Sony as the good guy and Microsoft as the big bad Billionaire that can buy whatever they want. Well anyone with common since (god they are getting hard to find) knows its all business. Sony does dirty BS tricks to sucker in new customers every day and to keep their fan boys in the dark, and Microsoft does the same damn thing. Once you step back and look at the bigger picture maybe you will see how bad you have been fucked over and lied to like everyone else has already noticed.  

 



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S.T.A.G.E. on 09 October 2008
Va1entinoZ said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
forevercloud3000 said:
You are fooling yourself if you think that these games going MultiPlat are not part of the MS agenda to stomp Sony into the ground. When Sony sprinted ahead of Sega and Nintendo it was with it's own games. Crash Bandicoot, Tomb Raider, GTA(to console), Dark Cloud, Xenogears, etc. They ushered in new IPs to claim their superiority. Games like FF migrated as well but not becuz Sony moneyhatted, they PUBLISHED the game for Square after Nin decided to withdraw theirs for Square going MP. In return they turned exclusive to Sony. Sony in no way went gunning for all of Sega's and Nin's exclusives. Sony wins over developers "fair"ly for every company has a fighting chance. MS has no rival when it comes to funds. They just keep handing out the huge checks to these companies to either have Sony Exclusives go MP or jip the PS3 out of features and such. EA MADDEN 07 ring a bell? How the hell did MS KNOW that the PS3 version would not run 60FPS before it released?

Sony has had Crash Bandicoot, , Jak games, Shadow of the Colossus, ICO, Dark Cloud, Ratchet and Clank,Resistance, Uncharted, Warhawk, Wipeout, Legend of Dragoon,WKC,Heavenly Sword, etc.
MS has brought in Halo, Gears of War, Fable, Mass Effect, KOTOR, KOTOR2.

These are the games actually in Sony's and MS's actual 1st/2nd Party Repatoir. Games that were not stolen from another console but born and raised.

Sony knows about how to make good games, seeing as NONE of their 1st party is bad. MS not so much, hense they spend so much time stealing Sony's exclusives.

 

 Please. Last gen Sony survived off of 3rd party titles. The other titles were popular but didn't come as close. Sony didn't stop Nintendo into the ground only with it's own games. Think of all the freaking great titles on Sony that stood in the shadow of the commercialism of 3rd party titles on the Playstation 1 and 2. I loved both system and even I know that. I have a great library of PS1 and PS2 games as well.

Top selling Sony titles ever:

1.Grand Theft Auto series-Multiplat between GBC/PS1/PC....(The game was never exclusive to Sony until PS2)

2. Final Fantasy main series-Nintendo and then went to Sony. Nintendo got the left over shit.

3. Metal Gear Solid series-Started off on Nintendo and went to Sony

Alot of people gave Sony alot of credit for Tomb Raider, but it was multiplat. Crash Bandicoot was a great platformer for the Playstation that raked in the cash for Sony when Spyro and Tomba couldn't and Sony dropped the ball with it.

The only top selling Sony game that sold more than the 3rd party was Gran Turismo. PERIOD.

For your information Mass Effect is multiplat and you don't hear MS fanboys bitching about it do you? No. Why? Because Sony fanboys are loyal to a machine to the end. The exclusives that Microsoft managed to gather from Sony realized the profits they could make by being multiplat. Microsoft has a much more active installed base still. Soul Calibur IV on 360 outsold the PS3 version because of that installed base. Alot of people who own PS3's and Xbox 360's actually have a large base from owning PS2's. Obviously that you can see that alot of gamers fled to the 360. I did it, but I'm still buying a PS3 with Tekken 6 and Soul Calibur IV. I just so happen to believe that fighting games play better with a Playstation controller and that is that. I have the choice because I will be able to logically choose the strengths of both systems. I have no attachment to PS3 nor the 360. Come on man, you're better than this. I have great respect that you are making games, but if you're going to make games, you have to understand the nature of business. Sony and Microsoft are cut throat corporate giants. Don't ever let down your guard on either of them. Explain something to me and this I really want to know. If Microsoft was shelling out all their money to get 3rd party games, then why did they have such a powerful system last games and all of the interesting games were 1st and 2nd party and the rest sucked? Where were all of the 3rd party games that they were supposed to shell out money for man?

Corporate attributes:

 

-Microsoft:Cut throat and has monopolistic tendencies. Currently hiding their cockiness behind a humble coat until they destroy Sony. Will fire developers but procure IP's. Before videogames they worked on OS and programs compatible and hardware while monopolizing that market.

-Sony:Cut throat, extremely cocky and blind & proud. Has a lack of consideration for investments unless they are top sellers (Hence why they mainly showed off 3rd party games rather than 1st party in the gens before). Has not had the power ever to monopolize anything although they aspire to (Hence why they bought Columbia Pictures). They've successfuly become a conglomerate.

Come on man. They are both a very similar beast.

Sure they r. But if MS replaced Sega, who will replace Sony?

 

 

 

Sony will live. They have far more money than SEGA ever did. They've lost billions this year alone. SEGA would never be able to take that hit. Never. They will live to see another day. Luckily they cut their production costs to drop the price of the PS3. They better learn their lesson (as they claim to) from this gen.



Majin-Tenshinhan on 09 October 2008

"Sony will live. They have far more money than SEGA ever did. They've lost billions this year alone. SEGA would never be able to take that hit. Never. They will live to see another day. Luckily they cut their production costs to drop the price of the PS3. They better learn their lesson (as they claim to) from this gen."

Just... Just let me get this straight. Your argument for why Sony will stay in business is that they've lost billions in this year alone?



Ronster316 on 09 October 2008

I can see ps3 fanboys headlines now in 2 years time................. Why do i dislike Microsoft?...... google search.... We (Sony) were in the gaming business before microsoft wah wah wah............... google search...... microsoft stole my lunch money wah wah wah

Face it sony, You took out a GAMING legend in Sega

Now its PAYBACK time



S.T.A.G.E. on 09 October 2008
Majin-Tenshinhan said:
"Sony will live. They have far more money than SEGA ever did. They've lost billions this year alone. SEGA would never be able to take that hit. Never. They will live to see another day. Luckily they cut their production costs to drop the price of the PS3. They better learn their lesson (as they claim to) from this gen."

Just... Just let me get this straight. Your argument for why Sony will stay in business is that they've lost billions in this year alone?

 

 

No. Thats is a stupid reason. If Sony was to go out of business I wouldnt say that I was buying a PS3 in other posts on this topic. Also, Sony is multi-billion dollar conglomerate, which i've also said. Sega was "the little guy". I stated that if Sega would've lost the amount that Sony lost in billions they wouldn't be here. They wouldn't even be able to make games most likely. Sony brought in the big powerful spending corporation image to gaming before Microsoft came in. Microsoft and Sony are the big spenders. Nintendo is the only "little guy" that came into it's own without being a huge outermarket giant.



Majin-Tenshinhan on 09 October 2008

Yeah, I see what you mean. Just thought the wording was pretty strange.