forevercloud3000 said: Geuss I was wrong about Tekken 6 staying exclusive. It still baffles me how this is even possible when Sony pays for all of Namco's arcade machines. How can they just take away an exclusivity deal again? I swear to GOD this damn game better be coming with something extra for the PS3.
This generation of gaming has pissed me off beyond belief. It makes no sense for a superior system, with more features, fair and actually better price tag, and actually does something to make games become better versions of themeselves should be being treated like this this gen. What happened to the good days when a developer would be aiming for making a perfect game and not how can I make the most money possible? This generation has been one disappointment after another. -DMC 4 going MP -FFXIII going MP -Now Tekken going MP all becuz MS shells out a few bills to these developers. Sony gives them the chance to make an extraordinary game with their bluray and cell technology, yet MS keeps holding them back by stealing them away. This is obviously MS's plan. They keep buying off Sony exclusives to hinder the PS3 from ever reaching full potential. THis must have been the reason MS closed down all those 1st party studios, so they can shell out more cash for Sony exclusives. Every gen Sony tries to step up the bar on how their system can improve gaming. MS's whole goal is just how can they screw up Sony's plan. Why? Because MS has feared the inevitable ascension of Sony. Years ago Sony set out to create the ultimate entertainment hub. The PS3 is basically that dream coming to fruition, this is why MS is pulling no punches whatsoever. They will do what ever they can in their power to keep Sony from succeeding this gen becuz they fear Sony's onslaught on the PC market. To copyrighting of features in their system that are just retarded, to having random companies suing them left and right to keep them in financial troubles, to sacrificing the quality of their own product to simply get to market first.
THese companies are the worst though. SE has been the biggest let down, then Namco. These are companies with the LARGEST fanbase on Playstation and they simply abandon them for a little bit of pocket money from MS. SE has made said they wanted to be even this gen but that was a joke. SE has given MS SO4(a PS favorite) exclusive, Infinite Undiscover exclusive(even though it was mediocre), and FFXIII( a game that was the most important to Sony's ascension) as MP. Only thing PS fans get from Square is FFvXIII exclusive and the notion that we should be grateful for that. Fuck THEM! Namco gave away Katamari to 360 EXCLUSIVE and it BOMBED!!!! MS already has an exclusive fighter known as DOA which doesn't hold a candle to Tekken, and MS STILL gets Tekken. Have these companies no shame? Yes, these companies are out to make a profit but at what cost? The fanbase that made them what they are? The company that helped them make it in the first place? The quality of the game? The PS3 and 360 are only 5 million apart in sales, that is not enough to justify the spin of the market in present. The only answer is the good ol MS bank.
Yes, I take this kind of stuff personally and very seriously. I am a Game developer in the making and the thought of what this gaming gen has come sickens me. When I finally get to putting my games and gaming ideas out there I will never sell out for money. For me it is not about that. I am all about making the best game possible, making a game that people can enjoy, while utilizing all the resources at hand. I want to make a piece of art, and that cannot be done by spreading the paint(thin) thin so it covers more canvas(userbase). I have always believed in the notion you create a quality product and the fans will come to you. Hense the reason I love the Sony PS3.
Uhg! I am out.....
Sony isn't as loyal of a company as you would like to think. Due to Sony's history I can understand by the history of quality games I can grant you this thought. Their care for what you want is truthfully an illusion and the same can be said for MS. Sony couldn't have given a damn about the gaming industry if it wasn't for Kutagari. At first they laughed at him. They were losing to the electronics war to their top competitors. Kutagari saved their asses imploring Sony to focus on videogames. Being that Sony was a still a powerful corporation even though they were falling behind in the electronics war, the first Playstation did very well using a CD format and and the PS2 did even better with DVD. The sales of both systems strengthened Sony. They can thank Kutagari for saving their asses when they laughed in his face.
You can be as pissed as you want, but Sony had it coming. They were acting like the big bad corporation that gets cocky by taking mass market share. You also like to point out that Sony was the only one who made a quality system. Microsoft started that trend by putting out and extremely powerful system for its gen. This is hypocrisy. Microsoft made it clear that their only goal this gen was to hold Sony back this gen. They told Nintendo congratulations and that this gen is theirs for sure. This is something that Sony is far too proud to do. I can't stand what the corporate status of gaming has done to them, but this gen Sony was far too cocky and Karma came to bite them in the ass. Sony isn't monopolizing any market, so they have no reason at all to be cocky. Microsoft has. I don't like both corporations on a moral level, but it doesn't mean I won't buy anything from them. Thats just stupid. It's all business. You know very well that Sony didn't fight for their 3rd party games. Sony tends to be so proud that they block out everything that made them big or whatever succeeded on their system.
It's not just because Microsoft has money, but it's also because of the fact that a larger portion of their installed base actually buys games compared to Sony. Have you ever thought that Namco thought twice after Soul Calibur IV sold better on the 360 than the PS3? Hmmm...all that loyalty when you should understand the good and the bad side of business. Theres very little emotion that you should put in business...especially today. I learned this great lesson in highschool. The childhood days of gaming are over. I'm sorry to say this...but it's over. It's about corporate take overs rather than the love of gaming. We have to take what few good games are left as consumers.
Don't be full of shit. Get a grip man
First of all nintendo started all this by fucking over sony. That is why sony went into the "console wars"
Second of all microsoft has no reason to be cocky because they have monopoly on a market. Thats bullshit. We need to work at getting more OS widely recognised. This with windows ? it's a bad thing.
Third. It's obvious you walk around in a ignorance if your own, but soul calibur was never a playstation brand game to begin with. Soul edge was.
And Fourth. The playstation has a higher attach rate per console than the 360.
Finally...
Word ain't enough.
Sony didn't go into console wars because Nintendo fucked them over. When they and Nintendo were working on the CD project Sony tried to make the larger sum of the profit on a system that was Nintendo's contractually (You would too if you are a business trying to make profit). Nintendo went their own way. Sony hadn't even thought about making a videogame system and they were losing to their competition. Kutagari saved their asses by making a proposition for a videogame system and they all laughed in his face! Kutagari had become a big fan of gaming because of his kids and realized that there is a market in this. Before Kutagari gave that proposition Sony looked down on the videogame market unless they were to make a sure profit off of formatting.
Does Microsoft look like they are being cocky right now? Please. You haven't seen cocky from Microsoft. If you see them cocky you will hate them until kingdom comes. They aren't cocky right now. They were humble enough to congratulate Nintendo on a good job this gen. They have a plan for this gen. It's funny how you can have a double standard for the monopolistic ways of Microsoft when Sony aspires to do the exact same thing.
I could give two shits about what you think is ignorance about me. I'm buying Soul Calibur IV on the PS3 and the same goes for the FF series. I pick and choose between the PS3 and the 360 based on strength. PS3 fanboys cannot be backed up because they are hypocrites.
The PS3 has a higher attach rate than the PS3 because the PS3 had more bundles!!!This is obvious and you trying to point this out to me is stupidity. Keep the attach rate, because what really counts is how involved the installed base is and Xbox 360 has the win there. This is why they outsold the PS3 with GTA IV and Soul Calibur IV. GET OVER IT!!! I'm not a Microsoft nor a Sony fan. I've given up the emotional ties to them a while ago. I suggest you realize that we are in dark times where the corporate interest is the only thing that matters and the people come second.
hmm... You really do come across as a microsoft fanboy you know. It's especially the almost always negative posts about sony and positive about microsoft that does it. For instance your statement "PS3 fanboys... " now why on earth would a Xbox fanboy or a nintendo fanboy be any different in regards to their console ?
I probably come off as a Sony fanboy. No worries there.
However...
I tried looking up the videoes that proove my point about nintendo and sony but i can't find them. So i won't bother going into detail but it basically went like this.
Nintendo makes a deal with sony about them supporting their (s)nes with a CD drive.
Sony starts production of said cd drive. (the deal is still not in the public eye)
Sony goes public with the announcement
Nintendo Backs out and chooses something differently.
Ken who did previously suggest they make their own video game system, goes to the top boss and tells him that to regain their honor they should make their own console.
The boss furious with what nintendo has done agrees
And so the Playstation was born.
It went more or less along the lines of that, it's a long time ago i saw it.
And know microsoft and i know how bad they can be. I am a PC gamer afterall. That wasn't my point. You just said that "they had the right to be cocky" a statement that i really don't agree with.
Regarding attach rate you can't prove that it's that high because of bundles. So saying that games sell better on the xbox is a unprooven statement. A claim, which you make out to be fact.
"The SNES-CD was to be announced at the June 1991 Consumer Electronics Show (CES). However, when Hiroshi Yamauchi read the original 1988 contract between Sony and Nintendo, he realized that the earlier agreement essentially handed Sony complete control over any and all titles written on the SNES CD-ROM format. Yamauchi decided that the contract was totally unacceptable and he secretly canceled all plans for the joint Nintendo-Sony SNES CD attachment. Instead of announcing a partnership between Sony and Nintendo, at 9 a.m. the day of the CES, Nintendo chairman Howard Lincoln stepped onto the stage and revealed that Nintendo was now allied with Philips, and Nintendo was planning on abandoning all the previous work Nintendo and Sony had accomplished. Lincoln and Minoru Arakawa had, unbeknown to Sony, flown to Philips headquarters in Europe and formed an alliance of a decidedly different nature—one that would give Nintendo total control over its licenses on Philips machines."-Wikipedia, Playstation history
Honor my ass. Sony wanted full control over all titles in the contract. Nintendo wouldn't have it.
Tell me...if you had a business and a product with a well known name already and you needed a good add on to push it to the next generation, wouldn't you want majority rights for your product besides for the patent rights which belongs to the partner that you're working with? I guess you would. I have no loyalty to Microsoft. They are just doing very well this gen and theres no harm in admitting it.
ah yeah :P thats how it went down. Like i said it was a while since i saw it. Didn't concider looking on wiki lol XD
Ofcourse it's very clever.. but it's still stabbing them not telling them they weren't gonna go through with their plans is it not ? atleast they knew what they were going into, and what was happening.
Nintendo is lucky they read the contract before Sony stole everything out from under them including the majority of profits.
Nintendo still stabbed them in the back.
Atleast they could have had the decency to tell them the deal was off.
Nintendo stabbed Sony in the back? It was Nintendo who hired Sony yet Sony been the greedy b*stards they are wanted full control over the licensing............ So a gaming LEGEND hires an electronic NOBODY and Sony want to hold all the cards?................. SCREW YOU SONY
Thats why the statement below my gamercard will ALWAYS remain there
bla bla bla.. Sony wasn't a electronic nobody ? what world do you come from ?.. the opposite world ? Your fanboyism is off the radar man. Obviously nintendo were also "greedy" because they didn't want to sign the contract. And they overprice their products. They charged people for using their weird thingys back in the days, etc etc. You have nothing !
Oh yeah.. and Sony are every bit as much legendary in the video game industry as Nintendo is. My opinion, yet many others share it.
I know they weren't first, but sometimes being first doesn't equal being best.
I stand by what i said............ Electronic NOBODYS........ They wait until somthing is successful and then jump on board (Videogames, Latops, Mobile/Cell phones ect)
Nintendo hired Sony dont forget, So for Sony to suddenly start making DIVA type demands regarding the contract is just like Sony........ PATHETIC
Sony gaming Legends? Yeah, thats why they did not have ONE good game made by themselves on ps1 for the first 5 years of the lousy machines life (Tekken , Metal gear solid, Crash bandicoot are all 3rd party) Thank god Polyphony came along and made Gran turismo for them huh.
Nintendo and Sega are gaming legends
Mentioning sony as gaming legends is an insult to both Nintendo and Sega
I must agree with Staude. As much as I love Nintendo, Nintendo should have had the dignity to inform SONY of thier disagreement. SONY's plans were not made secret to Nintendo. Nintendo knew all about it. And out of the very lease for business purposes, Nintendo should have tried to changed the policy or informed SONY to SONY that the deal could not be agreed upon and the deal was off. If someone couldn't agree with you on a particular plan, would you rather them infom you of it or work with someone else without telling you first? It's that simple
Actually, if Nintendo had known about Sony intentions then they would've called the whole thing off before Sony could rip them. They read the contract and saw that Sony didn't inform them of certain things and called it off before the confirmation. Thats just Sony being Sony.
forevercloud3000 said: Geuss I was wrong about Tekken 6 staying exclusive. It still baffles me how this is even possible when Sony pays for all of Namco's arcade machines. How can they just take away an exclusivity deal again? I swear to GOD this damn game better be coming with something extra for the PS3.
This generation of gaming has pissed me off beyond belief. It makes no sense for a superior system, with more features, fair and actually better price tag, and actually does something to make games become better versions of themeselves should be being treated like this this gen. What happened to the good days when a developer would be aiming for making a perfect game and not how can I make the most money possible? This generation has been one disappointment after another. -DMC 4 going MP -FFXIII going MP -Now Tekken going MP all becuz MS shells out a few bills to these developers. Sony gives them the chance to make an extraordinary game with their bluray and cell technology, yet MS keeps holding them back by stealing them away. This is obviously MS's plan. They keep buying off Sony exclusives to hinder the PS3 from ever reaching full potential. THis must have been the reason MS closed down all those 1st party studios, so they can shell out more cash for Sony exclusives. Every gen Sony tries to step up the bar on how their system can improve gaming. MS's whole goal is just how can they screw up Sony's plan. Why? Because MS has feared the inevitable ascension of Sony. Years ago Sony set out to create the ultimate entertainment hub. The PS3 is basically that dream coming to fruition, this is why MS is pulling no punches whatsoever. They will do what ever they can in their power to keep Sony from succeeding this gen becuz they fear Sony's onslaught on the PC market. To copyrighting of features in their system that are just retarded, to having random companies suing them left and right to keep them in financial troubles, to sacrificing the quality of their own product to simply get to market first.
THese companies are the worst though. SE has been the biggest let down, then Namco. These are companies with the LARGEST fanbase on Playstation and they simply abandon them for a little bit of pocket money from MS. SE has made said they wanted to be even this gen but that was a joke. SE has given MS SO4(a PS favorite) exclusive, Infinite Undiscover exclusive(even though it was mediocre), and FFXIII( a game that was the most important to Sony's ascension) as MP. Only thing PS fans get from Square is FFvXIII exclusive and the notion that we should be grateful for that. Fuck THEM! Namco gave away Katamari to 360 EXCLUSIVE and it BOMBED!!!! MS already has an exclusive fighter known as DOA which doesn't hold a candle to Tekken, and MS STILL gets Tekken. Have these companies no shame? Yes, these companies are out to make a profit but at what cost? The fanbase that made them what they are? The company that helped them make it in the first place? The quality of the game? The PS3 and 360 are only 5 million apart in sales, that is not enough to justify the spin of the market in present. The only answer is the good ol MS bank.
Yes, I take this kind of stuff personally and very seriously. I am a Game developer in the making and the thought of what this gaming gen has come sickens me. When I finally get to putting my games and gaming ideas out there I will never sell out for money. For me it is not about that. I am all about making the best game possible, making a game that people can enjoy, while utilizing all the resources at hand. I want to make a piece of art, and that cannot be done by spreading the paint(thin) thin so it covers more canvas(userbase). I have always believed in the notion you create a quality product and the fans will come to you. Hense the reason I love the Sony PS3.
Uhg! I am out.....
Sony isn't as loyal of a company as you would like to think. Due to Sony's history I can understand by the history of quality games I can grant you this thought. Their care for what you want is truthfully an illusion and the same can be said for MS. Sony couldn't have given a damn about the gaming industry if it wasn't for Kutagari. At first they laughed at him. They were losing to the electronics war to their top competitors. Kutagari saved their asses imploring Sony to focus on videogames. Being that Sony was a still a powerful corporation even though they were falling behind in the electronics war, the first Playstation did very well using a CD format and and the PS2 did even better with DVD. The sales of both systems strengthened Sony. They can thank Kutagari for saving their asses when they laughed in his face.
You can be as pissed as you want, but Sony had it coming. They were acting like the big bad corporation that gets cocky by taking mass market share. You also like to point out that Sony was the only one who made a quality system. Microsoft started that trend by putting out and extremely powerful system for its gen. This is hypocrisy. Microsoft made it clear that their only goal this gen was to hold Sony back this gen. They told Nintendo congratulations and that this gen is theirs for sure. This is something that Sony is far too proud to do. I can't stand what the corporate status of gaming has done to them, but this gen Sony was far too cocky and Karma came to bite them in the ass. Sony isn't monopolizing any market, so they have no reason at all to be cocky. Microsoft has. I don't like both corporations on a moral level, but it doesn't mean I won't buy anything from them. Thats just stupid. It's all business. You know very well that Sony didn't fight for their 3rd party games. Sony tends to be so proud that they block out everything that made them big or whatever succeeded on their system.
It's not just because Microsoft has money, but it's also because of the fact that a larger portion of their installed base actually buys games compared to Sony. Have you ever thought that Namco thought twice after Soul Calibur IV sold better on the 360 than the PS3? Hmmm...all that loyalty when you should understand the good and the bad side of business. Theres very little emotion that you should put in business...especially today. I learned this great lesson in highschool. The childhood days of gaming are over. I'm sorry to say this...but it's over. It's about corporate take overs rather than the love of gaming. We have to take what few good games are left as consumers.
Don't be full of shit. Get a grip man
First of all nintendo started all this by fucking over sony. That is why sony went into the "console wars"
Second of all microsoft has no reason to be cocky because they have monopoly on a market. Thats bullshit. We need to work at getting more OS widely recognised. This with windows ? it's a bad thing.
Third. It's obvious you walk around in a ignorance if your own, but soul calibur was never a playstation brand game to begin with. Soul edge was.
And Fourth. The playstation has a higher attach rate per console than the 360.
Finally...
Word ain't enough.
Sony didn't go into console wars because Nintendo fucked them over. When they and Nintendo were working on the CD project Sony tried to make the larger sum of the profit on a system that was Nintendo's contractually (You would too if you are a business trying to make profit). Nintendo went their own way. Sony hadn't even thought about making a videogame system and they were losing to their competition. Kutagari saved their asses by making a proposition for a videogame system and they all laughed in his face! Kutagari had become a big fan of gaming because of his kids and realized that there is a market in this. Before Kutagari gave that proposition Sony looked down on the videogame market unless they were to make a sure profit off of formatting.
Does Microsoft look like they are being cocky right now? Please. You haven't seen cocky from Microsoft. If you see them cocky you will hate them until kingdom comes. They aren't cocky right now. They were humble enough to congratulate Nintendo on a good job this gen. They have a plan for this gen. It's funny how you can have a double standard for the monopolistic ways of Microsoft when Sony aspires to do the exact same thing.
I could give two shits about what you think is ignorance about me. I'm buying Soul Calibur IV on the PS3 and the same goes for the FF series. I pick and choose between the PS3 and the 360 based on strength. PS3 fanboys cannot be backed up because they are hypocrites.
The PS3 has a higher attach rate than the PS3 because the PS3 had more bundles!!!This is obvious and you trying to point this out to me is stupidity. Keep the attach rate, because what really counts is how involved the installed base is and Xbox 360 has the win there. This is why they outsold the PS3 with GTA IV and Soul Calibur IV. GET OVER IT!!! I'm not a Microsoft nor a Sony fan. I've given up the emotional ties to them a while ago. I suggest you realize that we are in dark times where the corporate interest is the only thing that matters and the people come second.
hmm... You really do come across as a microsoft fanboy you know. It's especially the almost always negative posts about sony and positive about microsoft that does it. For instance your statement "PS3 fanboys... " now why on earth would a Xbox fanboy or a nintendo fanboy be any different in regards to their console ?
I probably come off as a Sony fanboy. No worries there.
However...
I tried looking up the videoes that proove my point about nintendo and sony but i can't find them. So i won't bother going into detail but it basically went like this.
Nintendo makes a deal with sony about them supporting their (s)nes with a CD drive.
Sony starts production of said cd drive. (the deal is still not in the public eye)
Sony goes public with the announcement
Nintendo Backs out and chooses something differently.
Ken who did previously suggest they make their own video game system, goes to the top boss and tells him that to regain their honor they should make their own console.
The boss furious with what nintendo has done agrees
And so the Playstation was born.
It went more or less along the lines of that, it's a long time ago i saw it.
And know microsoft and i know how bad they can be. I am a PC gamer afterall. That wasn't my point. You just said that "they had the right to be cocky" a statement that i really don't agree with.
Regarding attach rate you can't prove that it's that high because of bundles. So saying that games sell better on the xbox is a unprooven statement. A claim, which you make out to be fact.
"The SNES-CD was to be announced at the June 1991 Consumer Electronics Show (CES). However, when Hiroshi Yamauchi read the original 1988 contract between Sony and Nintendo, he realized that the earlier agreement essentially handed Sony complete control over any and all titles written on the SNES CD-ROM format. Yamauchi decided that the contract was totally unacceptable and he secretly canceled all plans for the joint Nintendo-Sony SNES CD attachment. Instead of announcing a partnership between Sony and Nintendo, at 9 a.m. the day of the CES, Nintendo chairman Howard Lincoln stepped onto the stage and revealed that Nintendo was now allied with Philips, and Nintendo was planning on abandoning all the previous work Nintendo and Sony had accomplished. Lincoln and Minoru Arakawa had, unbeknown to Sony, flown to Philips headquarters in Europe and formed an alliance of a decidedly different nature—one that would give Nintendo total control over its licenses on Philips machines."-Wikipedia, Playstation history
Honor my ass. Sony wanted full control over all titles in the contract. Nintendo wouldn't have it.
Tell me...if you had a business and a product with a well known name already and you needed a good add on to push it to the next generation, wouldn't you want majority rights for your product besides for the patent rights which belongs to the partner that you're working with? I guess you would. I have no loyalty to Microsoft. They are just doing very well this gen and theres no harm in admitting it.
ah yeah :P thats how it went down. Like i said it was a while since i saw it. Didn't concider looking on wiki lol XD
Ofcourse it's very clever.. but it's still stabbing them not telling them they weren't gonna go through with their plans is it not ? atleast they knew what they were going into, and what was happening.
Nintendo is lucky they read the contract before Sony stole everything out from under them including the majority of profits.
Nintendo still stabbed them in the back.
Atleast they could have had the decency to tell them the deal was off.
Nintendo stabbed Sony in the back? It was Nintendo who hired Sony yet Sony been the greedy b*stards they are wanted full control over the licensing............ So a gaming LEGEND hires an electronic NOBODY and Sony want to hold all the cards?................. SCREW YOU SONY
Thats why the statement below my gamercard will ALWAYS remain there
bla bla bla.. Sony wasn't a electronic nobody ? what world do you come from ?.. the opposite world ? Your fanboyism is off the radar man. Obviously nintendo were also "greedy" because they didn't want to sign the contract. And they overprice their products. They charged people for using their weird thingys back in the days, etc etc. You have nothing !
Oh yeah.. and Sony are every bit as much legendary in the video game industry as Nintendo is. My opinion, yet many others share it.
I know they weren't first, but sometimes being first doesn't equal being best.
I stand by what i said............ Electronic NOBODYS........ They wait until somthing is successful and then jump on board (Videogames, Latops, Mobile/Cell phones ect)
Nintendo hired Sony dont forget, So for Sony to suddenly start making DIVA type demands regarding the contract is just like Sony........ PATHETIC
Sony gaming Legends? Yeah, thats why they did not have ONE good game made by themselves on ps1 for the first 5 years of the lousy machines life (Tekken , Metal gear solid, Crash bandicoot are all 3rd party) Thank god Polyphony came along and made Gran turismo for them huh.
Nintendo and Sega are gaming legends
Mentioning sony as gaming legends is an insult to both Nintendo and Sega
M-M-M-M-MONSTER QUOTE !!!!
OT: Tekken 3 was great, Tekken Tag Tournament was also cool and I hope Tekken 6 will kick ass. (Never played Tekken 4 & 5)
forevercloud3000 said: Geuss I was wrong about Tekken 6 staying exclusive. It still baffles me how this is even possible when Sony pays for all of Namco's arcade machines. How can they just take away an exclusivity deal again? I swear to GOD this damn game better be coming with something extra for the PS3.
This generation of gaming has pissed me off beyond belief. It makes no sense for a superior system, with more features, fair and actually better price tag, and actually does something to make games become better versions of themeselves should be being treated like this this gen. What happened to the good days when a developer would be aiming for making a perfect game and not how can I make the most money possible? This generation has been one disappointment after another. -DMC 4 going MP -FFXIII going MP -Now Tekken going MP all becuz MS shells out a few bills to these developers. Sony gives them the chance to make an extraordinary game with their bluray and cell technology, yet MS keeps holding them back by stealing them away. This is obviously MS's plan. They keep buying off Sony exclusives to hinder the PS3 from ever reaching full potential. THis must have been the reason MS closed down all those 1st party studios, so they can shell out more cash for Sony exclusives. Every gen Sony tries to step up the bar on how their system can improve gaming. MS's whole goal is just how can they screw up Sony's plan. Why? Because MS has feared the inevitable ascension of Sony. Years ago Sony set out to create the ultimate entertainment hub. The PS3 is basically that dream coming to fruition, this is why MS is pulling no punches whatsoever. They will do what ever they can in their power to keep Sony from succeeding this gen becuz they fear Sony's onslaught on the PC market. To copyrighting of features in their system that are just retarded, to having random companies suing them left and right to keep them in financial troubles, to sacrificing the quality of their own product to simply get to market first.
THese companies are the worst though. SE has been the biggest let down, then Namco. These are companies with the LARGEST fanbase on Playstation and they simply abandon them for a little bit of pocket money from MS. SE has made said they wanted to be even this gen but that was a joke. SE has given MS SO4(a PS favorite) exclusive, Infinite Undiscover exclusive(even though it was mediocre), and FFXIII( a game that was the most important to Sony's ascension) as MP. Only thing PS fans get from Square is FFvXIII exclusive and the notion that we should be grateful for that. Fuck THEM! Namco gave away Katamari to 360 EXCLUSIVE and it BOMBED!!!! MS already has an exclusive fighter known as DOA which doesn't hold a candle to Tekken, and MS STILL gets Tekken. Have these companies no shame? Yes, these companies are out to make a profit but at what cost? The fanbase that made them what they are? The company that helped them make it in the first place? The quality of the game? The PS3 and 360 are only 5 million apart in sales, that is not enough to justify the spin of the market in present. The only answer is the good ol MS bank.
Yes, I take this kind of stuff personally and very seriously. I am a Game developer in the making and the thought of what this gaming gen has come sickens me. When I finally get to putting my games and gaming ideas out there I will never sell out for money. For me it is not about that. I am all about making the best game possible, making a game that people can enjoy, while utilizing all the resources at hand. I want to make a piece of art, and that cannot be done by spreading the paint(thin) thin so it covers more canvas(userbase). I have always believed in the notion you create a quality product and the fans will come to you. Hense the reason I love the Sony PS3.
Uhg! I am out.....
Sony isn't as loyal of a company as you would like to think. Due to Sony's history I can understand by the history of quality games I can grant you this thought. Their care for what you want is truthfully an illusion and the same can be said for MS. Sony couldn't have given a damn about the gaming industry if it wasn't for Kutagari. At first they laughed at him. They were losing to the electronics war to their top competitors. Kutagari saved their asses imploring Sony to focus on videogames. Being that Sony was a still a powerful corporation even though they were falling behind in the electronics war, the first Playstation did very well using a CD format and and the PS2 did even better with DVD. The sales of both systems strengthened Sony. They can thank Kutagari for saving their asses when they laughed in his face.
You can be as pissed as you want, but Sony had it coming. They were acting like the big bad corporation that gets cocky by taking mass market share. You also like to point out that Sony was the only one who made a quality system. Microsoft started that trend by putting out and extremely powerful system for its gen. This is hypocrisy. Microsoft made it clear that their only goal this gen was to hold Sony back this gen. They told Nintendo congratulations and that this gen is theirs for sure. This is something that Sony is far too proud to do. I can't stand what the corporate status of gaming has done to them, but this gen Sony was far too cocky and Karma came to bite them in the ass. Sony isn't monopolizing any market, so they have no reason at all to be cocky. Microsoft has. I don't like both corporations on a moral level, but it doesn't mean I won't buy anything from them. Thats just stupid. It's all business. You know very well that Sony didn't fight for their 3rd party games. Sony tends to be so proud that they block out everything that made them big or whatever succeeded on their system.
It's not just because Microsoft has money, but it's also because of the fact that a larger portion of their installed base actually buys games compared to Sony. Have you ever thought that Namco thought twice after Soul Calibur IV sold better on the 360 than the PS3? Hmmm...all that loyalty when you should understand the good and the bad side of business. Theres very little emotion that you should put in business...especially today. I learned this great lesson in highschool. The childhood days of gaming are over. I'm sorry to say this...but it's over. It's about corporate take overs rather than the love of gaming. We have to take what few good games are left as consumers.
Don't be full of shit. Get a grip man
First of all nintendo started all this by fucking over sony. That is why sony went into the "console wars"
Second of all microsoft has no reason to be cocky because they have monopoly on a market. Thats bullshit. We need to work at getting more OS widely recognised. This with windows ? it's a bad thing.
Third. It's obvious you walk around in a ignorance if your own, but soul calibur was never a playstation brand game to begin with. Soul edge was.
And Fourth. The playstation has a higher attach rate per console than the 360.
Finally...
Word ain't enough.
Sony didn't go into console wars because Nintendo fucked them over. When they and Nintendo were working on the CD project Sony tried to make the larger sum of the profit on a system that was Nintendo's contractually (You would too if you are a business trying to make profit). Nintendo went their own way. Sony hadn't even thought about making a videogame system and they were losing to their competition. Kutagari saved their asses by making a proposition for a videogame system and they all laughed in his face! Kutagari had become a big fan of gaming because of his kids and realized that there is a market in this. Before Kutagari gave that proposition Sony looked down on the videogame market unless they were to make a sure profit off of formatting.
Does Microsoft look like they are being cocky right now? Please. You haven't seen cocky from Microsoft. If you see them cocky you will hate them until kingdom comes. They aren't cocky right now. They were humble enough to congratulate Nintendo on a good job this gen. They have a plan for this gen. It's funny how you can have a double standard for the monopolistic ways of Microsoft when Sony aspires to do the exact same thing.
I could give two shits about what you think is ignorance about me. I'm buying Soul Calibur IV on the PS3 and the same goes for the FF series. I pick and choose between the PS3 and the 360 based on strength. PS3 fanboys cannot be backed up because they are hypocrites.
The PS3 has a higher attach rate than the PS3 because the PS3 had more bundles!!!This is obvious and you trying to point this out to me is stupidity. Keep the attach rate, because what really counts is how involved the installed base is and Xbox 360 has the win there. This is why they outsold the PS3 with GTA IV and Soul Calibur IV. GET OVER IT!!! I'm not a Microsoft nor a Sony fan. I've given up the emotional ties to them a while ago. I suggest you realize that we are in dark times where the corporate interest is the only thing that matters and the people come second.
hmm... You really do come across as a microsoft fanboy you know. It's especially the almost always negative posts about sony and positive about microsoft that does it. For instance your statement "PS3 fanboys... " now why on earth would a Xbox fanboy or a nintendo fanboy be any different in regards to their console ?
I probably come off as a Sony fanboy. No worries there.
However...
I tried looking up the videoes that proove my point about nintendo and sony but i can't find them. So i won't bother going into detail but it basically went like this.
Nintendo makes a deal with sony about them supporting their (s)nes with a CD drive.
Sony starts production of said cd drive. (the deal is still not in the public eye)
Sony goes public with the announcement
Nintendo Backs out and chooses something differently.
Ken who did previously suggest they make their own video game system, goes to the top boss and tells him that to regain their honor they should make their own console.
The boss furious with what nintendo has done agrees
And so the Playstation was born.
It went more or less along the lines of that, it's a long time ago i saw it.
And know microsoft and i know how bad they can be. I am a PC gamer afterall. That wasn't my point. You just said that "they had the right to be cocky" a statement that i really don't agree with.
Regarding attach rate you can't prove that it's that high because of bundles. So saying that games sell better on the xbox is a unprooven statement. A claim, which you make out to be fact.
"The SNES-CD was to be announced at the June 1991 Consumer Electronics Show (CES). However, when Hiroshi Yamauchi read the original 1988 contract between Sony and Nintendo, he realized that the earlier agreement essentially handed Sony complete control over any and all titles written on the SNES CD-ROM format. Yamauchi decided that the contract was totally unacceptable and he secretly canceled all plans for the joint Nintendo-Sony SNES CD attachment. Instead of announcing a partnership between Sony and Nintendo, at 9 a.m. the day of the CES, Nintendo chairman Howard Lincoln stepped onto the stage and revealed that Nintendo was now allied with Philips, and Nintendo was planning on abandoning all the previous work Nintendo and Sony had accomplished. Lincoln and Minoru Arakawa had, unbeknown to Sony, flown to Philips headquarters in Europe and formed an alliance of a decidedly different nature—one that would give Nintendo total control over its licenses on Philips machines."-Wikipedia, Playstation history
Honor my ass. Sony wanted full control over all titles in the contract. Nintendo wouldn't have it.
Tell me...if you had a business and a product with a well known name already and you needed a good add on to push it to the next generation, wouldn't you want majority rights for your product besides for the patent rights which belongs to the partner that you're working with? I guess you would. I have no loyalty to Microsoft. They are just doing very well this gen and theres no harm in admitting it.
ah yeah :P thats how it went down. Like i said it was a while since i saw it. Didn't concider looking on wiki lol XD
Ofcourse it's very clever.. but it's still stabbing them not telling them they weren't gonna go through with their plans is it not ? atleast they knew what they were going into, and what was happening.
Nintendo is lucky they read the contract before Sony stole everything out from under them including the majority of profits.
Nintendo still stabbed them in the back.
Atleast they could have had the decency to tell them the deal was off.
Keep telling yourself that. At some point you'll believe it 110%. Sony made stipulations in the contract that they never specified by word of mouth. Nintendo had to save themselves. You would've done it too. Sony isn't the company that you think it is. It's not based off of integrity.
forevercloud3000 said: Geuss I was wrong about Tekken 6 staying exclusive. It still baffles me how this is even possible when Sony pays for all of Namco's arcade machines. How can they just take away an exclusivity deal again? I swear to GOD this damn game better be coming with something extra for the PS3.
This generation of gaming has pissed me off beyond belief. It makes no sense for a superior system, with more features, fair and actually better price tag, and actually does something to make games become better versions of themeselves should be being treated like this this gen. What happened to the good days when a developer would be aiming for making a perfect game and not how can I make the most money possible? This generation has been one disappointment after another. -DMC 4 going MP -FFXIII going MP -Now Tekken going MP all becuz MS shells out a few bills to these developers. Sony gives them the chance to make an extraordinary game with their bluray and cell technology, yet MS keeps holding them back by stealing them away. This is obviously MS's plan. They keep buying off Sony exclusives to hinder the PS3 from ever reaching full potential. THis must have been the reason MS closed down all those 1st party studios, so they can shell out more cash for Sony exclusives. Every gen Sony tries to step up the bar on how their system can improve gaming. MS's whole goal is just how can they screw up Sony's plan. Why? Because MS has feared the inevitable ascension of Sony. Years ago Sony set out to create the ultimate entertainment hub. The PS3 is basically that dream coming to fruition, this is why MS is pulling no punches whatsoever. They will do what ever they can in their power to keep Sony from succeeding this gen becuz they fear Sony's onslaught on the PC market. To copyrighting of features in their system that are just retarded, to having random companies suing them left and right to keep them in financial troubles, to sacrificing the quality of their own product to simply get to market first.
THese companies are the worst though. SE has been the biggest let down, then Namco. These are companies with the LARGEST fanbase on Playstation and they simply abandon them for a little bit of pocket money from MS. SE has made said they wanted to be even this gen but that was a joke. SE has given MS SO4(a PS favorite) exclusive, Infinite Undiscover exclusive(even though it was mediocre), and FFXIII( a game that was the most important to Sony's ascension) as MP. Only thing PS fans get from Square is FFvXIII exclusive and the notion that we should be grateful for that. Fuck THEM! Namco gave away Katamari to 360 EXCLUSIVE and it BOMBED!!!! MS already has an exclusive fighter known as DOA which doesn't hold a candle to Tekken, and MS STILL gets Tekken. Have these companies no shame? Yes, these companies are out to make a profit but at what cost? The fanbase that made them what they are? The company that helped them make it in the first place? The quality of the game? The PS3 and 360 are only 5 million apart in sales, that is not enough to justify the spin of the market in present. The only answer is the good ol MS bank.
Yes, I take this kind of stuff personally and very seriously. I am a Game developer in the making and the thought of what this gaming gen has come sickens me. When I finally get to putting my games and gaming ideas out there I will never sell out for money. For me it is not about that. I am all about making the best game possible, making a game that people can enjoy, while utilizing all the resources at hand. I want to make a piece of art, and that cannot be done by spreading the paint(thin) thin so it covers more canvas(userbase). I have always believed in the notion you create a quality product and the fans will come to you. Hense the reason I love the Sony PS3.
Uhg! I am out.....
Sony isn't as loyal of a company as you would like to think. Due to Sony's history I can understand by the history of quality games I can grant you this thought. Their care for what you want is truthfully an illusion and the same can be said for MS. Sony couldn't have given a damn about the gaming industry if it wasn't for Kutagari. At first they laughed at him. They were losing to the electronics war to their top competitors. Kutagari saved their asses imploring Sony to focus on videogames. Being that Sony was a still a powerful corporation even though they were falling behind in the electronics war, the first Playstation did very well using a CD format and and the PS2 did even better with DVD. The sales of both systems strengthened Sony. They can thank Kutagari for saving their asses when they laughed in his face.
You can be as pissed as you want, but Sony had it coming. They were acting like the big bad corporation that gets cocky by taking mass market share. You also like to point out that Sony was the only one who made a quality system. Microsoft started that trend by putting out and extremely powerful system for its gen. This is hypocrisy. Microsoft made it clear that their only goal this gen was to hold Sony back this gen. They told Nintendo congratulations and that this gen is theirs for sure. This is something that Sony is far too proud to do. I can't stand what the corporate status of gaming has done to them, but this gen Sony was far too cocky and Karma came to bite them in the ass. Sony isn't monopolizing any market, so they have no reason at all to be cocky. Microsoft has. I don't like both corporations on a moral level, but it doesn't mean I won't buy anything from them. Thats just stupid. It's all business. You know very well that Sony didn't fight for their 3rd party games. Sony tends to be so proud that they block out everything that made them big or whatever succeeded on their system.
It's not just because Microsoft has money, but it's also because of the fact that a larger portion of their installed base actually buys games compared to Sony. Have you ever thought that Namco thought twice after Soul Calibur IV sold better on the 360 than the PS3? Hmmm...all that loyalty when you should understand the good and the bad side of business. Theres very little emotion that you should put in business...especially today. I learned this great lesson in highschool. The childhood days of gaming are over. I'm sorry to say this...but it's over. It's about corporate take overs rather than the love of gaming. We have to take what few good games are left as consumers.
Don't be full of shit. Get a grip man
First of all nintendo started all this by fucking over sony. That is why sony went into the "console wars"
Second of all microsoft has no reason to be cocky because they have monopoly on a market. Thats bullshit. We need to work at getting more OS widely recognised. This with windows ? it's a bad thing.
Third. It's obvious you walk around in a ignorance if your own, but soul calibur was never a playstation brand game to begin with. Soul edge was.
And Fourth. The playstation has a higher attach rate per console than the 360.
Finally...
Word ain't enough.
Sony didn't go into console wars because Nintendo fucked them over. When they and Nintendo were working on the CD project Sony tried to make the larger sum of the profit on a system that was Nintendo's contractually (You would too if you are a business trying to make profit). Nintendo went their own way. Sony hadn't even thought about making a videogame system and they were losing to their competition. Kutagari saved their asses by making a proposition for a videogame system and they all laughed in his face! Kutagari had become a big fan of gaming because of his kids and realized that there is a market in this. Before Kutagari gave that proposition Sony looked down on the videogame market unless they were to make a sure profit off of formatting.
Does Microsoft look like they are being cocky right now? Please. You haven't seen cocky from Microsoft. If you see them cocky you will hate them until kingdom comes. They aren't cocky right now. They were humble enough to congratulate Nintendo on a good job this gen. They have a plan for this gen. It's funny how you can have a double standard for the monopolistic ways of Microsoft when Sony aspires to do the exact same thing.
I could give two shits about what you think is ignorance about me. I'm buying Soul Calibur IV on the PS3 and the same goes for the FF series. I pick and choose between the PS3 and the 360 based on strength. PS3 fanboys cannot be backed up because they are hypocrites.
The PS3 has a higher attach rate than the PS3 because the PS3 had more bundles!!!This is obvious and you trying to point this out to me is stupidity. Keep the attach rate, because what really counts is how involved the installed base is and Xbox 360 has the win there. This is why they outsold the PS3 with GTA IV and Soul Calibur IV. GET OVER IT!!! I'm not a Microsoft nor a Sony fan. I've given up the emotional ties to them a while ago. I suggest you realize that we are in dark times where the corporate interest is the only thing that matters and the people come second.
hmm... You really do come across as a microsoft fanboy you know. It's especially the almost always negative posts about sony and positive about microsoft that does it. For instance your statement "PS3 fanboys... " now why on earth would a Xbox fanboy or a nintendo fanboy be any different in regards to their console ?
I probably come off as a Sony fanboy. No worries there.
However...
I tried looking up the videoes that proove my point about nintendo and sony but i can't find them. So i won't bother going into detail but it basically went like this.
Nintendo makes a deal with sony about them supporting their (s)nes with a CD drive.
Sony starts production of said cd drive. (the deal is still not in the public eye)
Sony goes public with the announcement
Nintendo Backs out and chooses something differently.
Ken who did previously suggest they make their own video game system, goes to the top boss and tells him that to regain their honor they should make their own console.
The boss furious with what nintendo has done agrees
And so the Playstation was born.
It went more or less along the lines of that, it's a long time ago i saw it.
And know microsoft and i know how bad they can be. I am a PC gamer afterall. That wasn't my point. You just said that "they had the right to be cocky" a statement that i really don't agree with.
Regarding attach rate you can't prove that it's that high because of bundles. So saying that games sell better on the xbox is a unprooven statement. A claim, which you make out to be fact.
"The SNES-CD was to be announced at the June 1991 Consumer Electronics Show (CES). However, when Hiroshi Yamauchi read the original 1988 contract between Sony and Nintendo, he realized that the earlier agreement essentially handed Sony complete control over any and all titles written on the SNES CD-ROM format. Yamauchi decided that the contract was totally unacceptable and he secretly canceled all plans for the joint Nintendo-Sony SNES CD attachment. Instead of announcing a partnership between Sony and Nintendo, at 9 a.m. the day of the CES, Nintendo chairman Howard Lincoln stepped onto the stage and revealed that Nintendo was now allied with Philips, and Nintendo was planning on abandoning all the previous work Nintendo and Sony had accomplished. Lincoln and Minoru Arakawa had, unbeknown to Sony, flown to Philips headquarters in Europe and formed an alliance of a decidedly different nature—one that would give Nintendo total control over its licenses on Philips machines."-Wikipedia, Playstation history
Honor my ass. Sony wanted full control over all titles in the contract. Nintendo wouldn't have it.
Tell me...if you had a business and a product with a well known name already and you needed a good add on to push it to the next generation, wouldn't you want majority rights for your product besides for the patent rights which belongs to the partner that you're working with? I guess you would. I have no loyalty to Microsoft. They are just doing very well this gen and theres no harm in admitting it.
ah yeah :P thats how it went down. Like i said it was a while since i saw it. Didn't concider looking on wiki lol XD
Ofcourse it's very clever.. but it's still stabbing them not telling them they weren't gonna go through with their plans is it not ? atleast they knew what they were going into, and what was happening.
Nintendo is lucky they read the contract before Sony stole everything out from under them including the majority of profits.
Nintendo still stabbed them in the back.
Atleast they could have had the decency to tell them the deal was off.
Nintendo stabbed Sony in the back? It was Nintendo who hired Sony yet Sony been the greedy b*stards they are wanted full control over the licensing............ So a gaming LEGEND hires an electronic NOBODY and Sony want to hold all the cards?................. SCREW YOU SONY
Thats why the statement below my gamercard will ALWAYS remain there
bla bla bla.. Sony wasn't a electronic nobody ? what world do you come from ?.. the opposite world ? Your fanboyism is off the radar man. Obviously nintendo were also "greedy" because they didn't want to sign the contract. And they overprice their products. They charged people for using their weird thingys back in the days, etc etc. You have nothing !
Oh yeah.. and Sony are every bit as much legendary in the video game industry as Nintendo is. My opinion, yet many others share it.
I know they weren't first, but sometimes being first doesn't equal being best.
This makes absolutely no sense. If people don't sign a contract the deal is off. No one was screwed. Sony TRIED to pull a fast one Nintendo broke contract. This is the nature of business. Sony wasn't an electronic nobody during this deal nor will they ever be, but they were losing market shares to other companies in the electronics market and laughed at Kutaragi's idea of a videogame system. Kutaragi's son had the system. Kutaragi was the only person with Sony who Nintendo trusted at least 90%. Kutaragi kept Nintendo interested in Sony's help.
@Ronster316 You need to stop being such an angry little fanboy. Your logic is so hypocritical. If SONY was a "nothing," why would Nintendo approach them in the first place? Because if SONY was "nothing," this implied that Nintendo made a big mistake going with them. So someone could use that argument to claim that it was all Nintendo's fault. I'm not saying that this is true, but what I am saying is that your "logic" is subjective to a fault where it can be used against you.
"Keep telling yourself that. At some point you'll believe it 110%. Sony made stipulations in the contract that they never specified by word of mouth. Nintendo had to save themselves. You would've done it too. Sony isn't the company that you think it is. It's not based off of integrity."
Selective reasoning. If Nintendo could easily inform Philips of a joint venture, they could have easily informed SONY that the deal was off prior to the Philips announcement. No one was free at fault here.
we don't know what exactly happened between nintendo and sony , maybe nintendo was the one that made a mistake not offering enough for sony's hard work. I mean we don't know what happened, rather sony was the bad guy or nintendo.
but I mean if sony wouldn't have enter the market maybe things wouldn't be like they are now in the videogame bussines , there wouldn't be a wii or x360 because sony has done a lot this years for the game industry and it has grown thanks to them.
Jordahn said: @Ronster316 You need to stop being such an angry little fanboy. Your logic is so hypocritical. If SONY was a "nothing," why would Nintendo approach them in the first place? Because if SONY was "nothing," this implied that Nintendo made a big mistake going with them. So someone could use that argument to claim that it was all Nintendo's fault. I'm not saying that this is true, but what I am saying is that your "logic" is subjective to a fault where it can be used against you.
How has me calling sony electronic nobodies got anything to do with the fact that Sony screwed Nintendo over?
Sure, I'm calling them nobodies despite nintendo approaching them thats true, But in more recent years since the Nintendo/Sony Famicom-Playstation contract collapse sony have become less and less innovitive and have simply become followers not innovators
All i mentioned is that Sony wait until somthing is successful and then jump on the bandwagon to ensure they make maximum profits for minimum effort
Its like a great classic song like Under the bridge by the Red hot chilli peppers getting a cover version by an inferior band (All saints)......... Its wrong
"Keep telling yourself that. At some point you'll believe it 110%. Sony made stipulations in the contract that they never specified by word of mouth. Nintendo had to save themselves. You would've done it too. Sony isn't the company that you think it is. It's not based off of integrity."
Selective reasoning. If Nintendo could easily inform Philips of a joint venture, they could have easily informed SONY that the deal was off prior to the Philips announcement. No one was free at fault here.
"The SNES-CD was to be announced at the June 1991 Consumer Electronics Show (CES). However, when Hiroshi Yamauchi read the original 1988 contract between Sony and Nintendo, he realized that the earlier agreement essentially handed Sony complete control over any and all titles written on the SNES CD-ROM format. Yamauchi decided that the contract was totally unacceptable and he secretly canceled all plans for the joint Nintendo-Sony SNES CD attachment. Instead of announcing a partnership between Sony and Nintendo, at 9 a.m. the day of the CES, Nintendo chairman Howard Lincoln stepped onto the stage and revealed that Nintendo was now allied with Philips, and Nintendo was planning on abandoning all the previous work Nintendo and Sony had accomplished. Lincoln and Minoru Arakawa had, unbeknown to Sony, flown to Philips headquarters in Europe and formed an alliance of a decidedly different nature—one that would give Nintendo total control over its licenses on Philips machines.
After the collapse of the joint project, Sony considered halting their research, but ultimately the company decided to use what they had developed so far and make it into a complete, stand alone console. As a result, Nintendo filed a lawsuit claiming breach of contract and attempted, in U.S. federal court, to obtain an injunction against the release of the PlayStation, on the grounds that Nintendo owned the name. The federal judge presiding over the case denied the injunction and, in October 1991, the first incarnation of the new Sony PlayStation was revealed. However, it is theorized that only 200 or so of these machines were ever produced."
As I said....all Kutaragi. Kutaragi is the father of the Playstation. He was the only man Nintendo trusted. Sony without Kutaragi is a cut throat company just like Microsoft with little intergrity.
