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Kwaad said:
omgwtfbbq said:
here's how to decide what console to buy:

1) make a list of every announced game for each console.
2) Remove from that list every game you don't want to play.
3) buy the console with the largest list

It's that simple.

That works too. I'll have to do that just for fun to see what I get. LOL

The PS3 is so much more than a game console, you gotta give it some extra credit for playing BluRay. lol

nope. no credit. It's a game console. Buy the one with the best games, not the best features. That is exactly the trap people get into when they buy a console. Oooo Blu-Ray! Shiny! And then wonder why they're not spending time on it.

Of course, one thing I didn't mention is price. You should not be talking about bringing other factors into is as they do NOT favour the PS3. 



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I would say get either the Wii or the PS3, and forget the 360, as nobody should have tp put up with high failure rates. Even if it has got a warranty, you can avoid the hassle by getting the other 2.

PS3:

Blu-Ray and full HD output, even if you don't have an HD TV now, it's highly likely your next one will be.-Nothing can ever be future proof, but HDMI means it will stay relevant until UHD comes out, which won't be for a very long time. Also, if you're a PC gamer, it's likely your monitor supports DVI, and a resolution of at least 1600x1000 and 60hz, so you'll be able to support 720p at 60fps anyway. With the correct cable, which I found for about £15 on amazon.co.uk

Full compatibilty with PCs and PSPs (possibly phones not sure) via wireless. -This is incredibly useful if you have music/video on your PC, you can just stream it wirelessly from your PC. All that's needed is firmware 1.80 (I think, which supports media servers, and a wireless card for your PC, although it worked for ours, with just a wireless USB dongle thing, for the PC, no need for anything with the PS3 as it has Wifi and Bluetooth.).

Motion Sensing- everyone knows the Wii has it, but so does the PS3. Although it is not used as much as it is for the Wii, if you prefer a more relaxing experienc, and don't want to be waving your arms around, then you may prefer that. Also, it makes for a fun experience in both driving and flying games.

Mouse and Keyboard support -As you specifially asked this, the PS3 supports any USB Keyboard and mouse (and headset for that matter), so if you want to get RTS or FPSs for it, you'll still be able to use that setup. And you'll have the advantage of console gaming, where there is no need to worry about the requirement of the game, it was designed to work on your console. Except where the 360 Core SKU is concerned.

Sony's software lineup -While Microsoft may concetrate on gamers aged 18-30, and Nintendo on 5-13 and 35-100+, Sony over the past 2 generations has tried to provide games for a large audience. Here's a quote from Insomniacs Brian Hastings:

"One of Sony’s biggest advantages is that it has strong franchises in every genre. Whereas Microsoft’s successful titles are mostly M-rated, and Nintendo’s are mostly E-rated, Sony has a big list of hit titles across the spectrum. When a 30-something gamer (like me) goes to buy a game console, it’s a lot easier to justify the purchase when there are games he can play with his kids as well as more mature stuff.

To Microsoft’s credit, they are doing a good job of catching up. The acquisition of Rare and the development of Viva Pinata have helped to broaden their spectrum. But it takes time to build a franchise, and Sony has been building their suite of titles for over a decade. Consider the breadth, success and critical acclaim of some of their exclusive properties: The Getaway, God of War, Gran Turismo, Hot Shots Golf, Jak and Daxter, Killzone, Ratchet & Clank, Shadow of the Colossus, Singstar, Sly Cooper, SOCOM, and Twisted Metal. These are all million-plus sellers worldwide that are either already announced or likely to appear on PS3. Add to this Sony’s new line up of first-party titles, including Heavenly Sword, Lair, Motorstorm, Resistance: Fall of Man, Uncharted and White Knight Story, and they have an even deeper and stronger line-up than what they had on PS2"

PSN -1 word, FREE. When a PC gamer like yourself comes to playing online, you may be shocked when it comes to having to pay (a total obsurdity) for online with xBox. with PSN you don't. Here's another quote from Brian Hastings:

"Among all the talk about the price of Sony’s console, I almost never see anyone mention the significance of Sony’s free online service. Xbox Live Gold costs $70 to sign up for 1 year, or $20 for three months. You can renew your membership for $50 a year. So if the Xbox 360 stays around for five years, you’ll be paying 70 + 50 + 50 + 50 + 50 = $270 to access features that Sony gives you for free."

On top of that, Sony is working on a movie on demand service for PSN, and considering they're one of the world's biggest film studios, it's likely they'll do a good job of it.

Backward Compatability -as you don't mention that you have any last-gen consoles, with is a HUGE bonus. Even the EU version of the PS3 has ~90% backward compatability, and frankly the only game I'ver ever had any serious problems with (out of a pretty large amount of games) was Wipeout fusion, and that was with 1 track. So you'll be able to take advatage of the PS2s game library, which is quite possibly the biggest ever. I think there is about 1800 games or something like that, although not all of them any good :P

Wii

Different experience -I hadn't played a Wii in my life until a few days ago, and my word was it totally different from anything I had done before. However, as I don't own one, I can't vouch whether this will still be a bonus after a year of playing it. Personally I can't think of anyhting I've used for over a year that still has that "Wow" factor.

Nintendos software lineup -Nintendo being the longest in the market (out of Sony, Microsoft, and themselves) has built up some pretty impressive franchises. So if you into any of them, then the Wii is for you. Especially as the Wii supports Gamecube games, andwith Virtual Console, you can play games that you may not have had the chance to play. So if you like Zelda etc. then you may want to consider the Wii.

Price -I'm gonna go with UK prices here, as I have no idea what country you're from. The PS3 is about £400. The 360 Premium about £280, and the Wii about £180, so you'll be saving a fair amount of money. However, there are a few extra costs. The Wiimotes are not rechargeable, so unlike with the SIXAXIS you'll be paying extra for batteries. Also, (according to amazon) the Wiimote is slightly more expensive, and if you want to get 4 Wiimotes with nunchucks, it's a massive £180, when 4 SIXAXIS would cost you £120. Although you'd actually most likely need 3 SIXAXIS: £90, and 3 Wiimotes + 3 Nunchucks: £135. So you may want to consider those extra prices. Also, if you want to play VC games and GC games, you'll need a classic controller (about £15). Also, you may want to upgrade the frankyl abysmal storage space, by getting a 2gb SD card (about £15).

Wifi -Like the PS3 (and unlike the 360) the Wii has Wifi, so less hassle to set up an internet connection (presuming you have a Wireless Router).

Size -If you need more space, the Wii is easily the smallest of the 3 consoles.

Online -The Wii supports a large variety of online services, and like PSN, is free. A quote from amazon:

"The Wii Channel Menu will be the first screen shown on the television, as it easily integrates itself as part of people’s everyday lives. The Wii Channels are: Disc Channel, Mii Channel, Photo Channel, Forecast Channel, News Channel, Wii Shop Channel, Internet Channel and the Wii Message Board."

 

 

Hope that helped



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Kwaad said:
Bodhesatva said:
Kwaad said:
misterd said:

Somewhat misleading. These are all "big" franchises, but not necessarily the biggest, especially God of War. Certainly Halo, Mario (and several iterations of it), Dragon Quest are bigger franchises that some of those listed. Of those that are listed, GTA and RE are available on other systems.

I think a rather fair assessment of exclusives can be found here:
http://www.gamingtarget.com/article.php?artid=7064

Note that this only looks at console exclusives (PC and handhelds are not considered). Significant titles (either for strong reviews, or strong franchise history) are in green.

IN summation:

360: 44 released exclusives (33 green), 47 unreleased (12 green)

PS3:8 released (3 green), 36 unreleased (11 green)

Wii: 21 released (5 green), 55 unreleased (14 green)

Understand that the unreleased games will have fewer "green" titles as new franchises have not had a chance to earn strong reviews (like Motorstorm and Gears of War).


I just want to point out.

Driver 5
Killzone
NBA 08
SingStarPS3
The Getaway 3

Are un-released, and should be green, by their standards.

EDIT: And the PS3 isnt about old franchises. It's about the new ones!


It's clear that they don't count portable releases, Kwaad, as the Wii would also have a few more "green" franchises if DS iterations were included. As such, here are the last iterations of these games I could find on metacritic:

Driver (last iteration "Driver: Parallel Lines"):

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbx/driverparallellines?q=driver


NBA (last iteration "NBA 07"):

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps3/nba07?q=nba%2007

Singstar (last iteration "Singstar Pop Hits"):

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/singstarpophits?q=singstar

Killzone (This is the only arguable one. Last iteration "Killzone" for PS2, as they aren't counting portable iterations for ANY console):

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/killzone?q=killzone

The Getaway:

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/getawayblackmonday?q=getaway

So unless I'm missing iterations that are more recent than this (which is possible, although I did try to do a thorough search), I believe you are wrong on all counts. Lastly, I think it's odd that you claim that the PS3 is about "new franchises," when the PS3 actually has the least number of new IP exclusives! (360 has 35, Wii has the most at 41, and PS3 the least at 25).


 Ok, I didnt plan on responding to this but.

Here are the large scale, hyped, 'new' things. No sequels, no movie ports. And no mini-game stackups. (not fair for the wii, but then agian, I dont consider mini-game.... stackups... games. At least not worth paying 30$ for. Screw the 50 they cost. 

Sony Has.

Resistance, Motorstorm. And to be released, Lair, Heavenly Sword, LittleBigPlanetEye of Judgement, FolkLore, Home, Haze.

Microsoft Has,

To come, BlueDragon, Eternal Sonata, DogTag, Mass Effect, and Too Human.

Nintendo has,

to come, Boogie, Space Station Tycoon,  Dewy's Adventure, Disaster Day of Crysis, furu furu park, Dragon Blade, Zack & Wiki, Endless Ocean, NitroBike, Wii Fit, Wii MotorSports Airplane.

11 for Wii, 7 for PS3, and 5 for the 360.

Almost every game listed for the Wii is aimed at a younger audiance. Boogie, Dewy's Adventure, furufuru, dragonblade, zack, Endless Ocean, and Wii Motorsports. I am NOT saying not fun for older people tho. 

Just In terms of games for late teens, and adult gamers, the PS3 has the most 'new' franchise exclusives, And the 360/Wii tie in terms of what appeal to the older people. (I would take any 1 of the 360 games from microsoft over all the Wii ones)

And bold is what 1st party is doing to 'encourage' new growth. I didnt even count WarHawk, becuase it's a 'used' name, even though it hasnt been seen in 10 years.

Sony studios have at least 6 coming in the next 5.5 months.

Microsoft studios have 3 coming in the next 5.5 months.

Nintendo has 4 coming in the next 5.5 months.

However I would like to add, Wii fit is a mini-game thing but I feel it is so much more, due to the weight board thingie, and general appeal, so I included it. Overall the new franchises for the Wii so far seem like nothing special.  


Out of the list of games you listed as being aimed at  a younger audience I must question you on Dragonblade, Zack & Wiki, Wii MotorSports & Endless Ocean. What leads you to label these games as aimed at kids? Also I wouldn't say 7 out of 11 is "almost every game", it's not even 2 thirds. 



Hus said:

Grow up and stop trolling.

Wii --

A whole new experience with a great selection of games now and upcoming. Unlike previous Nintendo consoles it has the momentum to bring full 3rd party support and with it tons of non-Nintendo masterpieces. Then as a bonus you get all of the Nintendo blockbusters that 360 and PS3 dream about.

Best of all you can have an immense amount of fun without the burning sensation in your wallet. I for one have spent less than the price of a PS3 (



Tispower said:

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Online -The Wii supports a large variety of online services, and like PSN, is free. A quote from amazon:

"The Wii Channel Menu will be the first screen shown on the television, as it easily integrates itself as part of people’s everyday lives. The Wii Channels are: Disc Channel, Mii Channel, Photo Channel, Forecast Channel, News Channel, Wii Shop Channel, Internet Channel and the Wii Message Board."

 

 

Hope that helped

The Wii's online channel is no longer free... depending on what service you are talking about, that is.  The internet channel itself (an Opera-created web browser) now costs like $5.00 or something.  Everything else is free that I know of.

 (Sorry to respond to a post, but I thought it was relevant.)

 

Personally, I would recommend the Wii.  The wiimote/nunchuck combination is one of the best out there, I feel.  The pointing adds so much to the control scheme, its not even funny. The motion sensing I like, but I can agree it is not enough to carry the control scheme alone.  The Pointing, on the other hand....  amazing.  Especially if you are used to the responsiveness of K+M, dual analog just won't cut it.



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OK, given that you are a PC gamer and have plenty of old school type games, I have to say go with the Wii.

1) It's cheap and shouldn't prohibit grabbing another console later.
2) It doesn't have a high chance of meltdown.
3) The VC will allow you to get tons of old school games.
4) The Wiimote will give you an experience you just can't get from a PC.
5) Most of the big PS3 and 360 will end up on the PC sooner or later.
6) If Metroid does as expected, and other companies copy the control scheme, the Wii could be the future home of the FPS.
7) Everyone else is doing it.



alpha_dk said:
Tispower said:

... [cut for brevity]

Online -The Wii supports a large variety of online services, and like PSN, is free. A quote from amazon:

"The Wii Channel Menu will be the first screen shown on the television, as it easily integrates itself as part of people’s everyday lives. The Wii Channels are: Disc Channel, Mii Channel, Photo Channel, Forecast Channel, News Channel, Wii Shop Channel, Internet Channel and the Wii Message Board."

 

 

Hope that helped

The Wii's online channel is no longer free... depending on what service you are talking about, that is. The internet channel itself (an Opera-created web browser) now costs like $5.00 or something. Everything else is free that I know of.

(Sorry to respond to a post, but I thought it was relevant.)

 

Personally, I would recommend the Wii. The wiimote/nunchuck combination is one of the best out there, I feel. The pointing adds so much to the control scheme, its not even funny. The motion sensing I like, but I can agree it is not enough to carry the control scheme alone. The Pointing, on the other hand.... amazing. Especially if you are used to the responsiveness of K+M, dual analog just won't cut it.


Is the multiplayer gaming free? Because as online gaming on PC is free, why should it be any different on a console was kinda my point.



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If you want traditional console gaming, buy a 360. It's got more RPGs, more FPSs, more racers, and more TPSs than the PS3. It's a little weak in the platformer dept. right now but so is the PS3. It also has a superior holiday lineup on the way IMO across a very diverse genre selection. It's the only system out today that has 5-10 great titles on shelves RIGHT NOW.

If you want something completely different than your previous console experiences, buy a Wii. There are several games on the horizon that should make one worth the purchase (though IMO, the game selection right now is rather weak unless you REALLY like party games).


Honestly, unless you're the type who wants Blu-Ray and is willing to wait until 2008 for a selection of games that will rival the 360 and you don't mind paying $500 for a console, I see no reason to buy a PS3. Wait until next year when it has the games and a $400 price tag.

Come to think of it, the Wii is the only console I would recommend buying today. The PS3 is still too expensive and  hardware update is coming to the 360 and a price cut is likely. I'd wait until September to buy a 360 and keep your ear to the ground about when the Falcon chipset is hitting shelves. 



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So far, it sounds like it. But like with PSN, that's not assured in perpetuity. I am pretty sure that once a game is released to play for free, it will stay that way (so, for example, Mario Strikers Charged is probably safe), but AFAIK they have not announced anything that would lead it to always being free.

Still, it *is* free now, and the Wii is a great console no matter how you cut it (even with a $5 charge to get a browser).



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I don't know if anyone has said this already, but you can get a pretty good price on the PS3 right now. Circuit City, for instance, has the PS3, an extra controller, and the 5 free Blu-Ray movie deal for $499. Amazon has a similar deal with 6 movies and a Blu-Ray remote.

The controller is $50 itself, Blu-Ray movies are an average of $20 a piece as well. The 360 is actually the most "overpriced" right now because a Blu-Ray player is worth at least $200. The Wii is a bargain if you are into that kind of gaming. My only problem with it is that it is more like a toy than an aesthetic experience which I think immersive games like Oblivion, Lair, Killzone, Uncharted (among others) can accomplish.

So, in short, I would recommend a PS3 first and a Wii second. Unfortunately for the 360, many of its best games come out on the PC either simultaneously (Bioshock, Mass Effect), or somewhere down the road (Gears of War, Halo 3). Most of Nintendo and Sony's first party games never see the PC, for better or worse. The 360 is a great console, don't get me wrong, but to complement your PC, I think a PS3 or a Wii would be better. Just pick the one with games that suit you better. IGN has the best comprehensive database on upcoming games and reviews for older games.



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