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carlos710 on 16 July 2007

If you want a unique, different experience from the PC then the Wii/DS are the winners, by a huge margin.

The xbox/ps3 are like mini pcs with worst online, smaller hard drive, worst controls (at least for FPS/RTS), less games and more limited overall.



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Galaki on 16 July 2007

ignore all the posts and buy a DS :)

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Bodhesatva on 16 July 2007
your mother said:
KBG29 said:
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I can understand your views on the PS3, but in all honesty, many of the unique selling points you mention may be moot for a PC gamer:

The PS3 is the only system to deliver truly next generation gameplay, alongside breathtaking CG quality graphics.
The PC's had that for years.

With the widest viriety of genres across any console the PS3 has something for everyone.
The PC blows all three consoles' lineup of titles, combined, out of the water.

Have kids at home that want to play games, their is no place with more games for kids than the PS3.
Again, the PC is the console to get if you are talking about kids, especially toddlers. The PC is the only platform that has a wide selection of EC (Early Childhood) titles to choose from.

The system also plays Blu Ray movies which are spectacular if you have an HDTV.
This point is very true, as even though I can buy a Blu-ray player/burner for a PC, the overall experience isn't as seamless. The cheapest Blu-ray for PCs still costs around 450 clams; having said that, it does burn Blu-rays as well, which the PS3 doesn't handle. I'm sure internal Blu-ray players will be much cheaper than that.

Apart from that, though, many of the USPs for the PS3 are simply irrelevant:

The Playstation 3 is the only console built to be future proof and for that reason it is the only console ready for Internet 2 with a 1Gbit ethernet port.
You know, when I bought my new PC recently, I chose an ASUS mainboard and they didn't even have options without Gigabit - my mainboard comes with two gigabits built-in, with wireless AP built-in as well.

Most of the other points you mentioned aren't even ready yet, so I still think those points about the PSN delivering downloadable movies is irrelevant, as it doesn't exist yet. You can, however, start downloading games and movies on a PC. Xbox Live also offers HD movie and TV downloads right now.

Edit: Not dissing the PS3 - just want to put things into perspective. The OP said he comes from a PC world and is looking for a completely different experience, and honestly, the points you mention simply aren't very compelling from a PC gamer's perspective.


While I may agree, Your Mother, let's not get in to system criticisms here. That would quickly devolve into flame wars, I suspect.

Instead, let's all pitch our systems and leave everyone else to pitch theirs. If you feel that this is a downside of the PS3, point out the upside of the Wii instead. For example, pitch the Wii by saying: "It's very unlike the PC experience, so if you're looking for something completely new and distinct, pick the Wii!" 

I think that would be a fair pitch.  



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your mother on 16 July 2007
carlos710 said:
If you want a unique, different experience from the PC then the Wii/DS are the winners, by a huge margin.

The xbox/ps3 are like mini pcs with worst online, smaller hard drive, worst controls (at least for FPS/RTS), less games and more limited overall.

That's pretty much my point so far.  If you have your PC at a desk and would like the casual, laying back on your sofa while your feet are propped on the coffee table" gaming experience, then yeah, a console can give that to you.

I have my PC hooked up to a 27" HDTV at my desk, and have my 32" HDTV downstairs in the living room for my console gaming. They both are different gaming experiences and neither one is better or wose than the other - they are just different experiences. IMO, console gaming is much more relaxed than PC gaming. Sitting on my sofa 3 meters away from my 32" TV is no comparison to the intensity of sitting less than a meter away from my 27" TV, but having friends over for some fun console gaming is a completely different social experience, and both are a blast!



DarkD on 16 July 2007

The only console that can possibly offer you a different experience than the PC is infact the Wii. (I am trying so hard not to talk about the other consoles right now...)

Game developers have constantly stated that the Wii doesn't try to be a PC replacement because there is no such thing. If you can afford the hardware prices then no console can keep up. The Wii is in a completely different arena than the PC and the other consoles.

As Reggie has stated, if all you want is next gen then you shouldn't buy the Wii because the Wii doesn't offer just next. Instead it's apsolutely new.

We are now seeing gameplay advances that have never been possible on a regular console that came with a pad. People enter into the Wii so open mindedly that developers are ready to take risks like never before. So the spectrum of gameplay isn't even limited to FPS, RPG, Sci Fi, etc. Now we can go into Lightgun, motion sensing, Balance Sensing, and possibly 1:1 controls. You need something new? You need a Wii.



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Kwaad on 16 July 2007

I would reccomend you to get the PS3 because the PS3 has the best setup as it stands. As you are experienced with a PC, and PC equipment, You will love to know the fact that you can plug a USB keyboard/mouse into the PS3. Infact you can also use standard BlueTooth keyboard/mice with it! Those work very well for surfing the web, or even running linux on the PS3. Speaking of linux, you can install linux on your PS3 to do your word processing and such if you dont feel like doing it on your PC! While on PC-goodness, you have Folding@Home. A program designed to fold proteins to find a cure to many common diseases including parkensons and alzhimers.Also, your PS3 has the ability to download trailers for the latest movies, and games. You also have the ability to download and play demos of the latest games.
The Playstation Network allows for the purchace of full fledged games for anywhere from 2.99 to 19.99 (for now).

Speaking of the videos earlier. You can hook your PS3 up to your TV and output your video in FULL1080P. HDTV at it's finest. You have a built-in BluRay Player, which as you know is the winning format in the HDvideo war.

 

Ok. I really dont see the point in me wasting my time doing this when you can go to wikipedia and look up...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii

 Do the research for yourself. You will find that all 3 of them are amazing consoles, that will give you great fun. I have learned... DONT pick the consoles that have the most problems you dont like. Pick the console with the LEAST problems. What you consider a problem might not be what I consider a problem. I can sumarize almost everyone on what they say.

360 - We have the most games, Best online, good price.
PS3 - Nothing now, but in 6 months. OMFG.
Wii - OMG IT'S so new! It's Cool! It's Hip, it's hop! It is the solution to every problem in the gaming world. 



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sinha on 16 July 2007
misterd said:
 

I think a rather fair assessment of exclusives can be found here:
http://www.gamingtarget.com/article.php?artid=7064

Note that this only looks at console exclusives (PC and handhelds are not considered). Significant titles (either for strong reviews, or strong franchise history) are in green.

IN summation:

360: 44 released exclusives (33 green), 47 unreleased (12 green)

PS3:8 released (3 green), 36 unreleased (11 green)

Wii: 21 released (5 green), 55 unreleased (14 green)

Understand that the unreleased games will have fewer "green" titles as new franchises have not had a chance to earn strong reviews (like Motorstorm and Gears of War).



That article is an interesting read for those people who prefer to base important purchasing decisions on something a bit more objective, like Metacritic ratings, rather than based on the opinions of internet fanboys pushing their favorite consoles.

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It's a virus where you buy it and you play it with your friends and they're like, "Oh my God that's so cool, I'm gonna go buy it." So you stop playing it after two months, but they buy it and they stop playing it after two months but they've showed it to someone else who then go out and buy it and so on. Everyone I know bought one and nobody turns it on. - Epic Games president Mike Capps

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your mother on 16 July 2007
Bodhesatva said:
your mother said:
KBG29 said:
...

I can understand your views on the PS3, but in all honesty, many of the unique selling points you mention may be moot for a PC gamer:

The PS3 is the only system to deliver truly next generation gameplay, alongside breathtaking CG quality graphics.
The PC's had that for years.

With the widest viriety of genres across any console the PS3 has something for everyone.
The PC blows all three consoles' lineup of titles, combined, out of the water.

Have kids at home that want to play games, their is no place with more games for kids than the PS3.
Again, the PC is the console to get if you are talking about kids, especially toddlers. The PC is the only platform that has a wide selection of EC (Early Childhood) titles to choose from.

The system also plays Blu Ray movies which are spectacular if you have an HDTV.
This point is very true, as even though I can buy a Blu-ray player/burner for a PC, the overall experience isn't as seamless. The cheapest Blu-ray for PCs still costs around 450 clams; having said that, it does burn Blu-rays as well, which the PS3 doesn't handle. I'm sure internal Blu-ray players will be much cheaper than that.

Apart from that, though, many of the USPs for the PS3 are simply irrelevant:

The Playstation 3 is the only console built to be future proof and for that reason it is the only console ready for Internet 2 with a 1Gbit ethernet port.
You know, when I bought my new PC recently, I chose an ASUS mainboard and they didn't even have options without Gigabit - my mainboard comes with two gigabits built-in, with wireless AP built-in as well.

Most of the other points you mentioned aren't even ready yet, so I still think those points about the PSN delivering downloadable movies is irrelevant, as it doesn't exist yet. You can, however, start downloading games and movies on a PC. Xbox Live also offers HD movie and TV downloads right now.

Edit: Not dissing the PS3 - just want to put things into perspective. The OP said he comes from a PC world and is looking for a completely different experience, and honestly, the points you mention simply aren't very compelling from a PC gamer's perspective.


While I may agree, Your Mother, let's not get in to system criticisms here. That would quickly devolve into flame wars, I suspect.

Instead, let's all pitch our systems and leave everyone else to pitch theirs. If you feel that this is a downside of the PS3, point out the upside of the Wii instead. For example, pitch the Wii by saying: "It's very unlike the PC experience, so if you're looking for something completely new and distinct, pick the Wii!"

I think that would be a fair pitch.


I don't think it's invalid criticism. I think that the OP wanted a "completely different experience", and I honestly fail to see how the 360 or PS3 can deliver on that account.

I also did mention that the OP should not expect anything remotely decent compared to the PC's graphics if he plans to get a Wii. That is what I would consider a pretty negative downside to the Wii, especially if the PC gamer is used to knockout graphics.

I still maintain that the Wii would be the best qualified to deliver on the "completely different experience" that the OP wants. I still maintain that both the PS3 and 360 would not deliver on those counts nearly as well as the Wii, not because the Wii is so much better in terms of gameplay compared to the other two consoles but because the PS3 and 360 are so similar to the PC but ultimately fall short.

In any case, I like all systems as long as they allow me to play games, and I believe that the OP, having mentioned MAME, isn't too caught up with graphics anyhow (MAME games look as bad compared to the Wii as Wii games look bad compared to the 360 and PS3) so the Wii should be able to deliver on that "completely different experience" - you know, like swinging the Wii remote around or shaking your booty in Warioware.



DarkD on 16 July 2007

Can we get a mod to delete the parts of peoples statements that stray from their console of choice? I am really fighting my hardest to avoid a flame war but I having a hard time.

 

I had a talk off thread about the offending post and I think I got a resolution which I can live with.  It wasn't nearly as hard as I thought it was.  I oughtta try talking through PM more often. 



Kwaad on 16 July 2007
misterd said:

Somewhat misleading. These are all "big" franchises, but not necessarily the biggest, especially God of War. Certainly Halo, Mario (and several iterations of it), Dragon Quest are bigger franchises that some of those listed. Of those that are listed, GTA and RE are available on other systems.

I think a rather fair assessment of exclusives can be found here:
http://www.gamingtarget.com/article.php?artid=7064

Note that this only looks at console exclusives (PC and handhelds are not considered). Significant titles (either for strong reviews, or strong franchise history) are in green.

IN summation:

360: 44 released exclusives (33 green), 47 unreleased (12 green)

PS3:8 released (3 green), 36 unreleased (11 green)

Wii: 21 released (5 green), 55 unreleased (14 green)

Understand that the unreleased games will have fewer "green" titles as new franchises have not had a chance to earn strong reviews (like Motorstorm and Gears of War).


I just want to point out.

Driver 5
Killzone
NBA 08
SingStarPS3
The Getaway 3

Are un-released, and should be green, by their standards.

EDIT: And the PS3 isnt about old franchises. It's about the new ones! 



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