Never said FFVII was bigger than any of the other POP faves, I just said it was one.

And I know PPl will dissagree, tis the point. I asked anyone who differed in opinion than me to post why they think so.

You didnt read the last line did you?

I'm not going to waste time writing an essay in response to that original post, so I'll just respond point by point:

1) FFVII didn't revolutionize the way that video game stories were told. It simply copied and popularized the formula from the Lunar games (released years earlier on the Sega CD). In addition, the invention of the cutscene-heavy game is the worst thing to happen to video game stories since the FMV game.

2) One-dimensional characters do not a good story make. Go play Planescape: Torment or KotOR 2 if you want to see good characterization in a game. Or, hell, read a good book.

3) If you're going to keep making these long, verbose threads, then please please PLEASE learn how to write at some level above that of a 13-year-old.

That and the market campaign which made the Halo campaign look silly in comparison. It was one of the main focuses of a 100 Million dollar campaign in the US.

In the UK they spend 100 Million pounds. Which is like 2 million for the UK alone.

It was mostly the money. There is a reason most critics rate the game below FF6 and FF4 in the "best games of all time list".

Ranking well below other RPGs as well such as Balders gate and Chrono Trigger.... really only being mentioned for the massive sales and making FF mainstream.

Some things are big because they're considered good, others are considered good because they are big.

FF7 is a case of the later.

Outside of number of dimensions it's behind FF6 in every way in my opinion... including graphics.  the 2-D sprites were much better art direction wise then the weird blockshapen characters that were everywhere outside of the FMVs. (which just made the rest of the game worse.)

Note I bought a PS1 for FF7 too... as Square is the only company I was ever a fanboy for.

Played Lunar,Hated Lunar, Sega CD a joke. And all the previous RPG big hitters such as FF1-6 and DQ or whatever you can throw at me all paled in comparison as far as disernable characters go. And the FMV/ Cutscene heavy games are still very much liked by many. I personally see Cutscenes as a reward for getting so so far in a game. Eye candy is very much so appreciated

One dimensional? WhateEVER dood. The characters were so awsome. You want one demensional? Play Legend of Dragoon. Played the Kotors and they are good and all but they dont hold that sense of attachement that FFVII's characters do. Never played Planescape but I doubt it can rival a FF game, obviously as I have never heard of it before. You cant expect someone to know every single RPG that ever comes out either.

I read..........alot. I love to see characters develop over time and become stronger with their opinions of life.

Lastly, I dont know where ur hostility comes from but I will suffer your hatred. If you dont like my threads then why even show up at the party? Ppl from the last thread I made asked for this one so....

PS: This is the interweb, learn to speak the lingo. PPl are not going to proofread everything they type especially if they are multitasking chores as I am doing right now.

FFVIII>Xenogears>Vagrant Story>FFVII>FFIX

My friend, i dare say that Chrono Trigger was a better game, for the imaginative story-line, one of the best combat systems, and a degree of replay value which FFVII just doesnt have.

The one thing you forgot was the lack of custimizing your party in FFVII.

All characters are pretty much the same.  They all can carry materia so it does not matter who is in your group.

The only thing that was different was the limit breaks. 

I agree with the other post that Kefka was the best FF villian. 

Don't get me wrong, FFVII was a GREAT game, just some things I did not like compared to FFVI.

I find that statement to be false. Like I said in OP, it has become cool to not like FFVII because of it's obvious rabid fanbase. And I have played 4 and 6 before playing 7 and never actually liked them as much. While I do agree they are superb games and all they dont have what 7 has. 4 had the most "BLAH" translation of character I have ever seen. Everything they were thinking was said in plain text instead of using a little metaphore or action to tell it. Same with 6, six had some great characters that had real drive, but the way they made some of them act out was just rediculous. 

And FFVII's cube bodies were used to it's benefit. Whenever Cloud would shake his block hands in the air you knew he was angry. The look added a certain level of charm to the game as well, just as the sprites did for FF6(others before were just ugly).

Now to play the remakes of III and IV on DS is a different story. THey redid the dialogue to make it suit the characters better. The redisign is reminicent of FFVII(which you seem to not like so much) which in turn gives IV the same glorified charm.

3.  So I guess poisoning an entire city because he was impatient doesn't count for anything? 

• Kefka did kill Cyan's wife and child and had them die in his arms
• He ruled over the world with an iron first and destroyed cities on a whim

2.  Sephiroth had the world in an uproar?  Really?  Kefka ruled the freaking world.  How many villains can you think of that actually won?

1.  Right, so Sephiroth is just as much as a woman as Cloud.  Got it.

While I must admit Chrono had a Fighting System that was LIGHT YEARS before its time, it still falls a little short of greatness. Yet again we must suffer through a game with identical characters to the DBZ series, which in turn means they are not that detailed. At the time it was ok but as of now I cant look at it in awe anymore. Chrono Trigger also had that famous silent hero which in turn means he could never be anything more than a stand in character.

Characters that have a discernable voice(txt?) and personality are what stand out in ppl's minds. Chrono was not one of those characters, as cool as he was....