The problem is that when you think something is established in one thread, you go back to zero in a newer thread.

So true.  So true.

Games don't prove which system is more powerful, unless it's a game on the more powerful system being ported to the less powerful. Since most of the Wii games aren't on the Xbox, that's a bullshit way to try to measure the Wii's power.

BTW, there is a game being ported from the Xbox to the Wii (just need someone to tell me it's name), and it's been announced it will have graphical updates, so that proves that comment is not evidence of anything.

That is full of win.

Please u guys can u read my other comments please. U will no everything. The Wii uses TEV for shaders. XBOX has real shaders which can ultimatley pull of shaders easier than wii's TEV. But TEV can replicate the exact same thing with the TEV, it is just harder to do. The wii surpasses XBOX in Multi Texturing and is capable of doing thing that the XBOX couldnt. But XBOX also can do some thing that the wii cant easily do.

You forget 3 cores at 3.2 in the 360 and 1 cpu 6 spu's in the PS3 all for individual programming. and the Wii has one cpu at 729 mhz.

All made by IBM but I guess the spin would be Ibm made the best for Wii????

this doesnt even account for the gpu's in the next gen consoles wheres the 5.1 sound and 1080p output. Apples and oranges

Its like looking at Cod4  and the running a quake game in Open GL on a pc at 1280x1224 image looks good and its 10 years old way less effects and bells and whistles but lines of resolution was way up so even if wii could do an image at that res what would it look like muddeled.

Hell the PS3 and 360 upconvert most games already to that resolution.

the games will always have less bells and whistles and be less polished because the it lacks the memmory and balls

this is not to say that there wont be pretty games they just wont have all the fog lighting blood spray shadowing all at once.

You'd rather try to teach a dog some theoretical physics , than trying to make a Sony fanboy understand this stuff.

I'm sure the dog will at least listen to you.

No is not, Power PC arch is vastly superior to the x86 on the xbox, it features a more powerfull CPU, more and faster ram, and they add the double amount of pipelines to the GPU dupliating the amount of filtering pass with the tex unit from 8 to 16, even if is about the same clock speed, it can push more effects...

The wii is more powerfull... not by a huge margin, but it is...

Not to flame or get off topic but its funny this gens consoles particularly the PS3 vs 360

the 360 gets flamed for not having a HD in every system and hence no swap file for extra system memmory which the original xbox used great for games like halo for open world driving and gun fight in large areas.

I dont recall seeing a wii game or gamecube game using wide open environments with loading on the fly.

The ps3 recreates this with Resistence and with 512 megs of ram the 360 does alright but the original halo seamed so big.

pure tech #'s dont show how important a good swap file is and how much quicker the load times are how levels can be bigger.

thats why Pc games are bigger in scope system ram varies but swap files or virtual memmory push the envelope.

So pretty and small vs wide open and huge.

what games do you know on the Gc and wii fit the open and huge with great visuals alla original halo.

re4 was very pretty not very wide open except for some boss fight

 hi there!

could you please point out whats "angering" as you put it about these points that i made.

• wii is just as powerful as gamecube imo. ie ive not really seen anything that far superceeds gamecube, RE4 , Z:TP as example.
• orig xbox is more powerful than wii
• theres nothing on the shelfs for wii that i would want to play apart from the games i mentioned.
• most wii games are aimed at what i call mini game crowd. child/family games is mabey a better wording
• real console gaming is only on ps360. greater grafix sound, online, communication. gameplay.

i dont think theres anything up there that is angering at all. so its actually you who need to act your age.

child/family games dont appeal to me. ps360 has much greater games. its best to leave it at that.

@Fazz stop your childish remarks and grow up, stop taking things as if your life is depending on it. i think playing hannah montana the game, is having an effect on you!