robjoh wins the award for most intelligent post in this thread.

Consumers clearly don't seem to care that games for the Wii don't look as good as those on the 360/PS3 right now. For that matter, the HD consoles can't outsell the PS2 right now, or even come close to it (in America, anyway). And for good measure, consumers don't seem to care that DS games don't look as good as those on the PSP. But somehow, next year, that's all going to change and there will be a seismic shift in the market away from Wii/DS towards 360/PS3?!

I hope everyone realizes that this theory makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

I think the problem is, that in the earlier sessions (PS1, PS2), this was more the case. Sony was still establishing itself, and didn't have a core of first party games that were great, established titles. They were an empty slate, where mainly third parties made their money. And they loved not competing against a formidable first party.

The more generations that pass though, the more you develop an established series of games. Sony eventually became known as the GT console, first party wise, since each generation has had at least one. Ratchet and Clank is a newer addition to that exclusive bunch as well. Unlike Nintendo however, Sony doesn't drive as much software onto the market. So where as developers on a Sony system may have to contend with one or two quality Sony titles per year, giving them a larger slice of the pie, on a Nintendo system, they have to compete with two or even three times the quality titles, depending on what's on the list for release, from 1/2nd parties.

The interesting thing is though, we haven't seen another console leader outside of Sony since the gaming industry started taking off in more mainstream locations. So we do not know if a Nintendo system leading the pack will change anything yet. Will it be similar to a PS2 era, where games are eventually focused to the system and it becomes a broad market full of both crap and quality? Or does it become another GC/64 era where most of the quality comes out of Nintendo's camp, even WITH a majority of market share? Or does something entirely different occur?

 Not next year, over the coming years. Hand held is very different from console too, everyone is much more forgiving of hand held graphics by logic because it is a hand held. There won't be a seismic shift but there might be a slow shift it's not impossible. Also the hardcore crowd (except for the all 3 console adopters and Nintendo fans) are big buyers of software and they are going to stay away from the Wii this generation it is looking like more and more (unless things change).

The kind of people who buy Wii for the novelty (Casual non gamer types) are going to buy like 2-3 games a year or maybe 5 tops (holidays and b-days and such). But if there are such a huge amount of casual gamers that get interested in the Wii then that won't matter that is still an unknown in the long run if the innovation of the Wii will still attract non gamers in 2 years or whatnot.

Is it just me that thinks hey if I was Nintendo I'd send him a one page fax about this: "Sonic and the Secret Rings + Super Monkey Ball sales > Chromehounds + Condemned: Criminals Origin > Sonic the Hedgehog + Virtua Fighter 5" Sorry to of inconvenienced you with our inferior hardware we feel it is apt to tell you however that the PC is truely the gaming machine with the most future in 2-3 years so if what you would like to develop for is the machine with the highest possible graphics and potential we suggest you choose them thank you for all your time and effort programming the games you did and once again sorry about that whole dreamcast thing who would of guessed a console weaker than yours graphically would of won that generation well not us here at Nintendo. Good luck with your further development.

Sincerly Nintendo

>>With motion sensors and good hardware the Wii would have sold like 200million

 Or maybe they wouldn't freak out like you are :)

SEGA must value the Wii to some extent, otherwise they wouldn't be making a sequal to NiGHTS on it.

Lol that's freaking out that's pretty much the definition of not freaking out you say go your own way if you want you were good for us when you were here and us for you sorry if you don't think we'll be good for you in the future. Here is a much clear definition of freakying out you feel motion controls are gimicky and the Wii is destroying the video game industry. I mean come on another console to develop for with a large user base that buys your games must really get Sega riled up.

oh wait didnt they say the same thing bout the ps2 when it came out vs the GC and xbox? no one cares bout graphics much except sony and microsoft fanboys and its showing in sales period u say in the long run it will matter example god of war 2 and guitar hero 2 for the ps2 it doesnt matter if a game has really jaw dropping graphics if the gameplay and controls are not there it will flop. same with wii games if the gameplay and controls suck it wont do well but if they do them well then it will be successful i mean look at RE4 if you can do that on a GC then guess what if developers take their time they can not only do that good but better on the wii. but then again the wii only has been out a little over 6 months give developers time to make decent games

Yes Ckmlb not too much is known about the future of these next-gen machines. The Wii will never come close to reaching the graphics horsepower of the PS3 and the 360. But could you ever swing a controller like a lightsaber or wave it like a whip on the PS3. What will people get bored with first, new graphics or new ideas? The PS2 is still selling well right now because of userbase. Nintendo is making great gains right now at increasing their userbase and getting developer support. Don't forget the Wii has a great attach rate and that's cause people want to experience different things with their wiimote. The best ideas are coming. Those that don't see it perhaps lack imagination.