Example R: Fanboy Copout/Hit-n-Run: Instead of actually exposing themselves from the harmful effects of  'Reality' by debating with 'Facts' and 'Truth', a Fanboy will typically avoid adressing the opposing argument in question all together in favor of a much easier approach of just attacking the individual with a brief and unsupported claim of their inability to argue or alleged fanboyism. This way, the Fanboy avoids any possible contact with facts that may infringe upon their illusion of franchise superiority.

 Example of someone looking for to go back and forth about the same points over and over again...

Example of someone who can't hold their own in a debate and ultimately is forced to run away from the fight everytime. :) Pitty you can't even put what you consider a "forum troll" in their place and are forced to making excuses like this for your inability to debate. Say what you want, the debates speak for themselves. :)

Sony is not "trying to enforce moral standards (whether it be porn or anything else) on the consumer through a disc monopoly". Sony says while they personally will not publish porn, they will not stop anyone else with a Blu-Ray production license from publishing porn. That article came a week after the articles about Sony forbidding Blu-Ray porn, but it didn't receive as much coverage. Blu-Ray production licenses are handed out by the Blu-Ray Disc Association and not Sony. Obviously porn is not blocked on Blu-Ray because there is a Vivid porno out on Blu-Ray. The disconnect here is that people still haven't gotten it in their heads that Blu-Ray is being controlled by an association of vested corporations and not solely by Sony.

I'm aware Blu-Ray is controlled by 9 or so vested corporations, not just Sony. I'm also aware that Sony cannot stop porn from going onto Blu-Ray, I was the one who first brought up the point that there was already one Blu-Ray porno.

The point I was bringing up was that Sony (whether they have the means to or not) has worrisome "big brother" aims as a corporation as obviously shown through their decades of vocally boycotting pornography or at least saying they would if they could. The fact is that if they could, they would most certainly enforce these moral aims of content censorship and the hypothetical issue or worry is whether or not the line will be drawn at porn. Another pressing question is why exactly do they feel so strongly about content censorship of any kind?

I brought this entire issue up to illustrate that Sony as an individual company has strong morally driven interests that are atypical of such a company and possible indicator of slippery slope conflicts of interest with the consumer market, my point was to sound the warning bell on Sony's character not to cry over there being no porn on Blu-Ray. It's no different than how they planned to make it so a Blu-Ray disc couldn't be played on anything but the player it was registered to, they abandoned that idea, but it doesn't change the fact they still considered it and if plausable would have liked to enforce it. Just because the tiger is behind a cage doesn't mean it wouldn't still want to rip your throat out if given the chance. And with Sony, how long is that cage door going to be locked?

I was talking about GT3 / GT4 - never mentioned GT2 as you did.

Anyway - as usual, you managed to disregard everything that I wrote - and just came up with a new statement out of nowhere, with no backing, facts or links.

"Example GTA IV" - yeah, which is coming out on the 360 & PS3 - so is developed for DVD-9. Nice example!

I can't be bothered justifying myself any further (and I have too much work to do ATM). I have been developing games for about 20years, and I have no doubt - that DVD9 is more than enough space for this generation.

1. I see below this post I quote you finally admitted that Sony is not blocking porn. Baby steps, I guess.

Nintendo requiring friend codes to play online for the DS and Wii is worse than not publishing porn. A lot of gamers don't like it, because it's annoying. Nintendo is doing it to "protect" gamers from the hordes of bad people that can kill them online. I wish Nintendo would have more of an open policy when it comes to online content.

2. Every company puts money into anti-piracy. You don't see the worth in that? You'll notice that hd-dvd and Nintendo also have anti-piracy measures. Btw, you can say I dodge the issue all you want but you can see I directly respond to you every time. Trying to belittle my responses doesn't make your comments any more true and is a waste of your intelligence and time.

3. All hd-dvd can do is hang on, because despite the only advantage they have from cheaper players right now, blu-ray is outselling hd-dvd. More studios, superior format. I sure wish you'd provide some link or quote for your made up statistics, though. I've asked for that before and you have yet to provide it. If you'd like, I can provide links for blu-ray versus hd-dvd sales this year, but I think you know I'm right. At worst, both formats survive and blu-ray continues to have more movies released for it. Btw, blockbuster is on blu-ray's side now. You can check google news for that news bit.

4. I finally got you to admit the Wii isn't the best thing ever. Great. As for your attacks, I don't have hdtv so I can imagine life without 1080p so far, and I understand why people are hesitant to adopt blu-ray. Right now it is $500 to get a 1080p blu-ray player. Despite that, blu-ray outsells hd-dvd and now blockbuster has decided to take out hd-dvd from most of their stores due to better sales from blu-ray. The decision to include blu-ray in the PS3 is obviously the main reason for the sales and blockbuster's decision. Just because the war isn't over yet does not mean I can't recognize the better format. Blu-ray has higher transfer speeds, more space, is scratch proof, more studio support (all but Universal), burners and bd-r for PCs. The only advantage hd-dvd has it the player price advantage (discs are cheaper on blu-ray now).

When dvds were being formed, Sony and Phillips had their own format they wanted to release just like they did for CDs. However, toshiba and others had their DVD and convinced Sony and Phillips to forgo a format war and help out with DVDs. This time, Toshiba and company is the odd group out and did not go with Sony and other's format and decided to go with a format war because they wanted royalties. It's unfortunate, because blu-ray is clearly the superior format and it would have been great for all to agree on it. That does not mean blu-ray will win, but I still think it was good for the format war for Sony to include the blu-ray drive in the PS3. It does not bother me that they are doing that to help the format, because I support the superior format and hope it wins out. If they had all agreed, blu-ray players would be cheaper right now. Toshiba is the company to blame here, not Sony. But I digress.

I understand the good points of the Wii, as I plan to get one. That does not mean blu-ray isn't going to be extremely useful this generation. As I've said, Stranglehold's inclusion of a full 1080p movie on the same disc for $10 more is proof enough of the advantage. Strangehold is the sequel to Hard Boiled. I think game sizes will get bigger like they do all the time, and if you disagree then let's just agree to let it go.

why should i provide a link.. when its already known publicly that rockstar was complaining about the limitations of the dvd format??? to be fair they were also complaining about how harder it was to program for the ps3....i dont really give a dam what you do... everyone has their own opinion.. just because yours is different doesnt make you right...just because mine is different doesnt make me right.... theres millions and millions of people that disagree with you though i know that much...     i dont provide links for people when the knowledge is commonly known...

 Because buying the player/disc code registering patent means they were "considering" implementing it on Blu-Ray...When did Sony ever say they were going to do that?  O yeah, that is right, they never did.  It was simply a rumor that died down in less than a week because Sony bought up the patent on the technology.  Pretty standard practice in the technology industry.  At least a biased link would have been nice to try to hide your blatant bias but looks like you are too much of a fanboy to even muster up that much effort.

1. I never said Sony was blocking porn, I said they were trying to. How is that so hard for you to understand? Why do you think I'm backtracking when that's what I've been saying all along?

You saying Nintendo's Friend Codes being worse than content censorship is just silly. A non-point. You're the only person I've ever met who has ever considered them anything more than an nuissance. Stop trying to act like Nintendo has failed the human race for something so trivial.

2. I'm not dodging any issue, and if you're going to claim I am perhaps you should at least illustrate that somehow instead of just making empty claims. Sony, unlike most companies, has been caught investing money into consumer invasive piracy protection, i.e. rootkits and have continue to pursue similar development. Its not the fact that they're investing in anti-piracy, its that they see invading the consumer's privacy as a legitimate means of doing so.

3. I love how your respond to an argument about how there's essentially no prevalent need for HD intigration of the market at this point in time by... comparing Blu-Ray to HD-DVD? Are you even reading my replies? I was adressing the issue of us not needing any HD form intigration in our media for at least five years. The point was, while HD is obviously the future, choosing a format now is not necessary due to limited market saturation of HD in both TV and Movies. I furthered this by showing how the claim of Blu-Ray being an HD godsend when only 1% of the consumer market can even use it on the PS3 in 1080dpi just goes to show how little of a place it has at the moment.

4. Find me one post where I ever claimed the Wii was without flaw. Not once in any of my posts did I ever state that I thought the Wii was perfect. Not once did i ever claim I had no reservations about it or its features. What I have claimed though is that I feel it is the most appealing console, the most successful console and what its going in the right direction of the three, that's all I've ever said in any of my posts while tackling each issue as relevant. I don't know why you think you've gotten me to admit anything when I've just been saying what I've been saying all along.

I can't believe you are such a fanboy to believe that anyone defending or supporting of the Wii obviously thinks its perfect. Find one single post on this entire forum where I said the Wii was perfect . You can't, because that has never been my stance. This entire debate is just one train wreck of another born of your inability to properly read my replies. If english isn't your first language, then I understand but if it is, you have no excuse for your failure to follow the debate and stay on topic.