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DMeisterJ said:
FishyJoe said:
I still think their biggest post-launch mistake was removing BC. I believe it's one of the factors that led to decline of sales in Japan. To be a total entertainment machine, you've got to play all the entertainment, not just some of it.

Whole-heartedly agree.


 I whole hearedly disagree I think there's much bigger mistakes Sony made with the PS3 than BC keeping in mind we already have 120-130 million PS2's out there already , it's a nice feature but I don't think it's one that seals the deal for a significant % of the consumer , if Sony's smart they'd have researched this and concluded the same as me.

 PRICE POINT is Sony's biggest mistake , what would boost Sony's sales more ? a price reduction or full BC across all SKU's ? . Price Point , Price Point , Price Point the hardware is too expensive to make.



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Calm you Jandre.Sony isnt giving up ,its sales have more than doubled since this time last year and they manage nearly the same when they drop the price again.

I agree that the are doing some things wrong ,others right ,and others right but sooo slow.

Biggest mistake:Removing the BC ,specially for Japan I am nearly sure this has caused the abrupt drop in sales when there werent any more 60Gb units left.

And the delay of XMB ingame and Home is too very annoying.

Having some games run at a lower resolution and then upscale isnt so big deal .Halo 3 does the same and no one is still screaming about that.

I think Sony is doing fine ,but effectively showing some weaknesses ...they cant fully understand the japanese situation (if they did they would release there the 80gb unit ASAP) and their software developers (for XMB ingame and Home) arent as fast and effective as we would like.


But the machine is magnific all the same.It has tons of great games ,its own exclusives ,free online playing ,blu ray playback ,the revamped store ,many free demos ,classic PSone games ,great upscaling capabilities for media ,great playback capabilities for divx/mp4/etc.Good building quality.All in all a great gaming machine.

And as for RPG goes ,its true this is getting annoying.Still ,it is getting White Knight Stories ,Air Tonelico 2,The Last Remnant ,Final Fantasy XIII ,Final Fantasy XIII Versus ,Star Ocean 4,Alpha Protocol ,X Edge ,Eternal Sonata ...probably Tales of Vesperia too.It will have plenty of RPGs ...but its true its taking a lot of time.Guess HD RPGs are really time consuming to develop.



Imperial said:
DMeisterJ said:
FishyJoe said:
I still think their biggest post-launch mistake was removing BC. I believe it's one of the factors that led to decline of sales in Japan. To be a total entertainment machine, you've got to play all the entertainment, not just some of it.

Whole-heartedly agree.


I whole hearedly disagree I think there's much bigger mistakes Sony made with the PS3 than BC keeping in mind we already have 120-130 million PS2's out there already , it's a nice feature but I don't think it's one that seals the deal for a significant % of the consumer , if Sony's smart they'd have researched this and concluded the same as me.

PRICE POINT is Sony's biggest mistake , what would boost Sony's sales more ? a price reduction or full BC across all SKU's ? . Price Point , Price Point , Price Point the hardware is too expensive to make.


Highlighted the key word in Fishy's post.

Price is a pre-launch mistake, because how cheap they can offer the PS3 is limited by the cost of all the components they put into the PS3. Blu-ray, Cell, hard drive, etc. all impacted the price which they would have to charge for PS3 so that they didn't lose their shirts trying to get enough install base to sell software and make money.

 Unless you want to argue that they should have ripped more components out of the 40GB redesign. I don't really see how they could, though.



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*sigh* Sony is not giving up and has not shown any decrease in resolve to be the best. SCEA Judges Day should have made that obvious.

Sony realizes that rushing games is a bad idea. They have a ton of very interesting projects in development, like Linger in Shadow for example. They are also showing that the PS3 is everything they made it out to be. Just because 3rd party developers can't learn on their own and have to be spoon feed to make a halfway decent game is not Sony's fault. Sony has released a ton of information and tools to make development easier. Hell they made a cross-platform engine that works on both the PS3 and 360.

They have no given up at all. If you notice they are slowly focusing on the PS2 less and less. They are transferring what they gain from the profit margin of the PS2 and PSP to the PS3. As manufacturing costs are cut, the more games will be produced for the PSN, PS3, and PSP.

I noticed you completely ignored the fact that the PSN has good titles. Why are you ignoring a major part of the PS3 and a good amount of games which include PS1 titles?



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rudyrsr8 said:
People who are worried about Sony just chill they are doing fine, not as great as they could but they are doing well, it is just a problem for the short term. Look into the long term picture as of now Nintendo and M$ have no tangible long term approach. Nintendo does to a degree but M$ just doesnt and once it gets maxed out PS3 will dominate just so long as every month it can outsell 360 as it has for a while now.

Hahaha. That was the funniest part so far in this thread. Nintendo is the one that has a long term plan. Sony and M$ might have had one, but since Nintendo fucked up their plans, they need to reconsider their plan. By looking at how Sony is starting to move their focus on profitability, it looks like Sony is working on with their new plan.

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bdbdbd said:
rudyrsr8 said:
People who are worried about Sony just chill they are doing fine, not as great as they could but they are doing well, it is just a problem for the short term. Look into the long term picture as of now Nintendo and M$ have no tangible long term approach. Nintendo does to a degree but M$ just doesnt and once it gets maxed out PS3 will dominate just so long as every month it can outsell 360 as it has for a while now.

 

Hahaha. That was the funniest part so far in this thread. Nintendo is the one that has a long term plan. Sony and M$ might have had one, but since Nintendo fucked up their plans, they need to reconsider their plan. By looking at how Sony is starting to move their focus on profitability, it looks like Sony is working on with their new plan.

 Thier long term plan isn't revealed fully is what i ment to say. Also a back up isnt present that we know of if something happens to the Wii. Nintendo changing up the market was a short term plan now they need to figure out for the mid and long term how to keep it and develope it and make a profit conintuing, the poeple some of their aim is for the casual woman and girl plus some guys who just play free web mini games, for them to continuously buy games is something unproven since they can go back to playing those free online games that is the long term problem i see with nintendo. M$ so far with its hardware will be maxed out soon and their price drops are having little overall effect of units selling and their main Halo game everyone knows about is gone and their is no new major service known soon. Sony on the other hand has all these upcoming promises that seem just around the courner that they keep promising. Their problem will be once it is all there will anyone care any more.

 

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FishyJoe said:
I still think their biggest post-launch mistake was removing BC. I believe it's one of the factors that led to decline of sales in Japan. To be a total entertainment machine, you've got to play all the entertainment, not just some of it.

I agree with you completely.



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Oh, dear, yet another Sony-is-doomed thread. Last time I checked (this morning, actually), year 2008 sales show Sony and Nintendo jostling at slightly above 40% console market share each, while Microsoft bumps along at 18%.



famousringo said:
Imperial said:
DMeisterJ said:
FishyJoe said:
I still think their biggest post-launch mistake was removing BC. I believe it's one of the factors that led to decline of sales in Japan. To be a total entertainment machine, you've got to play all the entertainment, not just some of it.

Whole-heartedly agree.


I whole hearedly disagree I think there's much bigger mistakes Sony made with the PS3 than BC keeping in mind we already have 120-130 million PS2's out there already , it's a nice feature but I don't think it's one that seals the deal for a significant % of the consumer , if Sony's smart they'd have researched this and concluded the same as me.

PRICE POINT is Sony's biggest mistake , what would boost Sony's sales more ? a price reduction or full BC across all SKU's ? . Price Point , Price Point , Price Point the hardware is too expensive to make.


Highlighted the key word in Fishy's post.

Price is a pre-launch mistake, because how cheap they can offer the PS3 is limited by the cost of all the components they put into the PS3. Blu-ray, Cell, hard drive, etc. all impacted the price which they would have to charge for PS3 so that they didn't lose their shirts trying to get enough install base to sell software and make money.

Unless you want to argue that they should have ripped more components out of the 40GB redesign. I don't really see how they could, though.

 Oops I missed that out. I'd still disagree though.
 

 



Sony has made a few mistakes, Microsoft made a few mistakes as well (RRoD), and Nintendo made a few mistakes (Lack of processing power compartively to PS3 and 360)...

Although I'm disappointed in this generation, the good news is that all three consoles are still showing life, and that there is no clear cut winner which means that all three still have a huge motivation to create more great games which is a good thing for all of us...