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Darc Requiem said:
I am not kidding when I say this. Giuliani will be president over my dead body.

So your saying if he wins you'll kill yourself? Or are you saying that you'll kill him? Either way that's a really unhealthy attitude.

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Guiliani is a fearmonger even more than W. He's basically claiming that the country will not be safe with a Democrat as president. (That's the nice way to put it. A more correct/politically incorrect way might be saying that he's a terrorist who's message is "elect me or die.")

Despite his claims, 9/11 happened on his watch, with the full warning of the first WTC attack. And his major policy in the wake of 9/11 was to postpone the NYC elections for his own benefit; undermining our democracy due to fear, just as Islamic extremists want.




To everyone saying they don't support Ron Paul merely because he's unelectable: YOU'RE THE PROBLEM. You should be ashamed if you support anyone but whoever you think is the best candidate.



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Ron Paul is the only major party candidate running that's worth a damn. Barring a miracle that causes him to actually win the Republican primary, I'll probably end up voting Libertarian.



Starless said:
elprincipe said:
tk1989 said:
which is left wing and which is right wing? :P


Democrats are on the left, Republicans on the right.

It's Giuliani.

McCain is from Arizona.

Romney was governor of Massachusetts (and also in charge of the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympics).

It is too early to dismiss other candidates than the leaders in any case (there are currently 11 declared Republican and 8 declared Democratic candidates).

>koffieboon said:
Well, mainly I hope the American People will vote for a wise leader, one to solve problems around the world instead of creating new ones. One who at least also looks at environmental concerns instead of always putting economic growth in first place. And maybe a president with enough balls to finally start putting serious restrictions on gunlaws as well.

Which environmental issues are you talking about? Just curious because that is so general as to prevent an intelligent response.

No president can do anything about gun laws. Part of our Constitution says "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed." This means to stop people from getting guns would require a constitutional amendment, which requires a 2/3 majority in Congress and 3/4 of the states to ratify such a change. This is not going to happen anytime soon. The biggest restrictions you might get nationally (localities can be more restrictive; for example, Washington, DC outlaws handguns) is a return of the assault weapons ban.


 

 

Seriously? Even the president couldn't do anything about gun laws? No offence, but America has one sucky law system.

 

 

And I'm fairly sure koffieboon is talking about global warming.


Not at all, our system is great, the people in the system are the ones who sometimes let us down.  The president isn't charged with legislating; that's up to Congress, a body that represents the people better (or at least it should) than one person.  I guess I shouldn't have said the president can do nothing, but the most he can do is strictly enforce gun laws (the president is charged with enforcing the laws) and ask Congress to pass more restrictive laws.  Thank goodness we don't live in a country like Venezuela where the president decides to just disregard the laws of the land.

And if koffie wants to talk about global warming, I think that will need a whole separate topic since it's sure to be controversial!  I very much doubt most of the Europeans here will like what I have to say on the subject. 



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Erik Aston said:
Guiliani is a fearmonger even more than W. He's basically claiming that the country will not be safe with a Democrat as president. (That's the nice way to put it. A more correct/politically incorrect way might be saying that he's a terrorist who's message is "elect me or die.")

Despite his claims, 9/11 happened on his watch, with the full warning of the first WTC attack. And his major policy in the wake of 9/11 was to postpone the NYC elections for his own benefit; undermining our democracy due to fear, just as Islamic extremists want.




To everyone saying they don't support Ron Paul merely because he's unelectable: YOU'RE THE PROBLEM. You should be ashamed if you support anyone but whoever you think is the best candidate.

They're not the problem.

The system is the problem. Everything depends on how much money you can get, how do you get money? From catering to the needs of a few and sounding like you care about the many...

It's sad really. Giuliani will win cause he is a fearmonger, he will scare the people into voting for him, especially if another attack happaned in the future.



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ckmlb said:
Erik Aston said:
Guiliani is a fearmonger even more than W. He's basically claiming that the country will not be safe with a Democrat as president. (That's the nice way to put it. A more correct/politically incorrect way might be saying that he's a terrorist who's message is "elect me or die.")

Despite his claims, 9/11 happened on his watch, with the full warning of the first WTC attack. And his major policy in the wake of 9/11 was to postpone the NYC elections for his own benefit; undermining our democracy due to fear, just as Islamic extremists want.




To everyone saying they don't support Ron Paul merely because he's unelectable: YOU'RE THE PROBLEM. You should be ashamed if you support anyone but whoever you think is the best candidate.

They're not the problem.

The system is the problem. Everything depends on how much money you can get, how do you get money? From catering to the needs of a few and sounding like you care about the many...

It's sad really. Giuliani will win cause he is a fearmonger, he will scare the people into voting for him, especially if another attack happaned in the future.

no, both are the problem.

I'm sick of the "lesser of two evils" approach that you people have. Vote for the person you think that is the best representative. If everyone who liked Ron Paul voted for him then maybe he would see something.

Although I live in Australia and our political system isn't as ridiculously favoured toward two main parties.

I would also like to add, HEAR HEAR, Erik Aston!



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NightStalker said:
Not quite sure if America can handle a black or female president yet. Edwards is a good candidate, but I need to look into this some more.

You'd be surprised. Blacks and Women are being more and more accepted, as the racist/sexist right wing has focused more and more on new targets for their prejudices. Here's the results of a survey published not too long ago. As you can see a black president would have it easy compared to many others:

If your party nominated a well-qualified Candidate For White House '08 who was _, would you vote for that person?

Yes No
Catholic 95% 4%
Black 94 5
Jewish 92 7
A woman 88 11
Hispanic 87 12
Mormon 72 24
Married for third time 67 30
72 years old 57 42
A homosexual 55 43
An atheist 45 53

That last one is the most disurbing for me.



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elprincipe said:
Starless said:
elprincipe said:
tk1989 said:
which is left wing and which is right wing? :P


Democrats are on the left, Republicans on the right.

It's Giuliani.

McCain is from Arizona.

Romney was governor of Massachusetts (and also in charge of the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympics).

It is too early to dismiss other candidates than the leaders in any case (there are currently 11 declared Republican and 8 declared Democratic candidates).

>koffieboon said:
Well, mainly I hope the American People will vote for a wise leader, one to solve problems around the world instead of creating new ones. One who at least also looks at environmental concerns instead of always putting economic growth in first place. And maybe a president with enough balls to finally start putting serious restrictions on gunlaws as well.

Which environmental issues are you talking about? Just curious because that is so general as to prevent an intelligent response.

No president can do anything about gun laws. Part of our Constitution says "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed." This means to stop people from getting guns would require a constitutional amendment, which requires a 2/3 majority in Congress and 3/4 of the states to ratify such a change. This is not going to happen anytime soon. The biggest restrictions you might get nationally (localities can be more restrictive; for example, Washington, DC outlaws handguns) is a return of the assault weapons ban.


 

 

Seriously? Even the president couldn't do anything about gun laws? No offence, but America has one sucky law system.

 

 

And I'm fairly sure koffieboon is talking about global warming.


Not at all, our system is great, the people in the system are the ones who sometimes let us down. The president isn't charged with legislating; that's up to Congress, a body that represents the people better (or at least it should) than one person. I guess I shouldn't have said the president can do nothing, but the most he can do is strictly enforce gun laws (the president is charged with enforcing the laws) and ask Congress to pass more restrictive laws. Thank goodness we don't live in a country like Venezuela where the president decides to just disregard the laws of the land.

And if koffie wants to talk about global warming, I think that will need a whole separate topic since it's sure to be controversial! I very much doubt most of the Europeans here will like what I have to say on the subject.


 The fact that anyone would buy into this conservative propaganda that global warming is either not happening, or is not due to the fact we've spewed all this crap into the atmosphere,  is just amazing.   Exxon/Mobil's billions in profit is being well spent on this propaganda.