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darconi on 27 April 2008
noname2200 said:
cookingyourmama said:
Kenology said:
cookingyourmama said:
Then the most important part, having a 60% 3rd party sales ratio isn't good or anything to brag about when the 360 and ps3 have 80-95% 3rd party sales ratios.

Actually, 60% is something to brag about when you're competing with the most talented 1st party developer on the planet in Nintendo.

 

Nintendo can carry it's systems on 1st party software alone... Sony and MS cannot, and thus, rely far more heavily on 3rd party support. The biggest game of this gen for XBox 360 and PS3 is a 3rd party title (GTAIV).


Well sony's first party console support is argueabley as good as nintendo's but that's not the point. Right now despite having a 6 million lead over the 360's hardware installbase the wii still can't outsell the 360 in weekly worldwide 3rd party sales. Forget percentages here, until the wii can sell as many units of 3rd party software as it's competition then it will continue to be critised.


That's an excellent rebuttal...from a year ago.

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=719967

There's a lot more data out there that shows that third party sales on the Wii are already past those of the 360, despite having fewer big-budget titles. I'll repeat what I said in first post: I am willing to listen to contrary viewpoints, but since I've shown some of the data to support my arguments, I'll need you to do the same. Otherwise, I'll have to assume you're wrong, because an argument without support is as useful as Bush without Rove.

P.S. I'll be taking off for a few hours, so please use that time to marshall some good stuff to greet me upon my 'triumphant' return. I look forward to hearing what you have to say.


 Haha nice response.  Lets see how he'll spin the results to "prove" his point regardless.



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im_sneaky on 27 April 2008

how many blockbuster 3rd party titles are their in developement for the wii that we know of? i like the tales series... so ill probably get the ToS sequel tho its low budget and doesnt seem like itll be making the series stronger... unlike vesperia for 360... but besides that its just first party titles. im now up to date maybe? but are there any?



 

 

cookingyourmama on 27 April 2008
noname2200 said:
cookingyourmama said:
Kenology said:
cookingyourmama said:
Then the most important part, having a 60% 3rd party sales ratio isn't good or anything to brag about when the 360 and ps3 have 80-95% 3rd party sales ratios.

Actually, 60% is something to brag about when you're competing with the most talented 1st party developer on the planet in Nintendo.

 

Nintendo can carry it's systems on 1st party software alone... Sony and MS cannot, and thus, rely far more heavily on 3rd party support. The biggest game of this gen for XBox 360 and PS3 is a 3rd party title (GTAIV).


Well sony's first party console support is argueabley as good as nintendo's but that's not the point. Right now despite having a 6 million lead over the 360's hardware installbase the wii still can't outsell the 360 in weekly worldwide 3rd party sales. Forget percentages here, until the wii can sell as many units of 3rd party software as it's competition then it will continue to be critised.


That's an excellent rebuttal...from a year ago.

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=719967

There's a lot more data out there that shows that third party sales on the Wii are already past those of the 360, despite having fewer big-budget titles. I'll repeat what I said in first post: I am willing to listen to contrary viewpoints, but since I've shown some of the data to support my arguments, I'll need you to do the same. Otherwise, I'll have to assume you're wrong, because an argument without support is as useful as Bush without Rove.

P.S. I'll be taking off for a few hours, so please use that time to marshall some good stuff to greet me upon my 'triumphant' return. I look forward to hearing what you have to say.


Haha wow, ok you do know that the numbers that viper1 posted for the week aren't the real third party sales overall? I've already had this discussion with him in the worldwide weekly sales thread. His numbers that he posted are only for the top 50 games overall and not the top 50 games for each console added up. When you are comparing the overall sales of 3rd party software you COMPARE IT ALL not just cherry pick some data to make the wii look like it sold the most third party software when it didn't.

The real third party sales this week are:

935,406 wii
1,017,931 xbox360
622,979 ps3

Despite the wii having sold 6 million more consoles than the 360 it still can't out sell it in 3rd party software sales. So the wii with an overall hardware market share of 44.8% only had 36.3% of 3rd party software sales this week, compared to the xbox360's 33.5% hardware market share and 39.5% 3rd party sales and the ps3's 21.7% hardware market share and 24.2%.

The fact is the wii is underperforming when it comes to 3rd party sales and it's doing it at a time when 3rd parties aren't releasing major games for the 360 and ps3 because they don't want to go head to head with grand theft auto 4.



mike_intellivision on 27 April 2008

@cooking ...
What's the ratio on first-party sales for the same week?

To be honest, I think you make an interesting point -- but an analysis over a longer time period than one week would really be more appropriate.

For example, this week the Wii has a big first-party release (MK Wii) while the PS3 and Xbox 360 have a blockbuster third-party release (GTA IV). That would really skew the ratio -- for that week.

Without looking at the particulars for any week, it is very easy to make statistics say anything you want them to say. But if the analysis is spread out, such one-time market fluctuations become less of a dramatic one-time event and more of the actual description of the marketplace.

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ph4nt on 27 April 2008

Considering the quality of Wii third party compared to 360 and PS3 i'd say that number (36.3%) is absolutely amazing.



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cookingyourmama on 27 April 2008
mike_intellivision said:
@cooking ...
What's the ratio on first-party sales for the same week?

To be honest, I think you make an interesting point -- but an analysis over a longer time period than one week would really be more appropriate.

For example, this week the Wii has a big first-party release (MK Wii) while the PS3 and Xbox 360 have a blockbuster third-party release (GTA IV). That would really skew the ratio -- for that week.

Without looking at the particulars for any week, it is very easy to make statistics say anything you want them to say. But if the analysis is spread out, such one-time market fluctuations become less of a dramatic one-time event and more of the actual description of the marketplace.

Mike from Morgantown

The first party tie ratios for the same week are:

wii - 77.1%

xbox360 - 5.5%

ps3 - 17.4% 



trestres on 27 April 2008

Wow, great numbers for the TP's on Wii!



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Shameless on 27 April 2008

Looks like Japanese third parties still have a way to go :P 



MANUELF on 27 April 2008
Shameless said:

Looks like Japanese third parties still have a way to go :P 


Any non-Nintendo game in Japan sell like crap, only exception is Dragon Quest Swords for Wii.



Xyrax on 27 April 2008
cookingyourmama said:


 

The real third party sales this week are:

935,406 wii
1,017,931 xbox360
622,979 ps3

Despite the wii having sold 6 million more consoles than the 360 it still can't out sell it in 3rd party software sales.


 And guess what, week after week the Wiis installbase grows and grows and continues to outstrip the growth rate of the 360.

 

Look at how close the third party totals are above. Now think about 6 months from now when the Wii has passed the 360 in America as well and is many MORE millions ahead of the 360.

 

THE RATIO DOESNT MATTER! In the END the Wiis third party totals will SURPASS the 360's PERIOD. It has already begun to do it in overall software, third party totals are NEXT.  Basically it doesnt mean ANYTHING that 360s third parties get 80% while the Wiis third party gets  60%. Because as the Wiis userbase keeps bending the 360 over month after month, the 60% the Wii has will become >>>>> than the 80% the 360 has. Nothing is going to stop this, it comes along with being the market leader.

 

You guys used to say "Wii wont catch the 360 in America" Then you shifted to "Wii wont ever have a good attach rate" then you shifted to "Third party games wont sell on it" then you shifted it to "Yeah well the 360 is selling about 70k more third party software a week!" You are moving the goalposts as each and every one of your arguments fall apart. But its just an inevitibility. The Wii will do more 3rd party software weekly than the 360 as it grows, count on it. For the 360 to only be beating the Wii by 70k software units per week when the Wii has crap like HoTD3 up against DMC4, Rockband, COD4 is embarassing for the 360, not the Wii. Considering the quality, the numbers shouldnt even be close, userbases be damned.