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Mnementh said:
Leynos said:

Tesla self driving bullshit has killed people and I mean both drivers and others. It's shit. Googles Self Driving injured many and caused many accidents. But people do do! Yes but when that happens you have someone to take responsibility either by insurance or law. You can't do a fucking thing do a trillion dollar corp. Self driving AI bullshit can't even tell a human face from a toy.

That argument is always weak. Human drivers kill and mutilate so much people every day. Self-driving cars don't need to be perfect, if they are on average better than human drivers than it is already a big win for the reduction of human suffering.

Yet a human is bound by their insurance and law. Nothing you can do to Google. That's the point



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Leynos said:
Mnementh said:

That argument is always weak. Human drivers kill and mutilate so much people every day. Self-driving cars don't need to be perfect, if they are on average better than human drivers than it is already a big win for the reduction of human suffering.

Yet a human is bound by their insurance and law. Nothing you can do to Google. That's the point

Yeah, big companies avoid responsibility. Tell me something new. This isn't a problem of AI, this is a problem of capitalism. As are many other of the problems attributed to AI. I am aware that capitalism turns things to shit. But it is the same as the Luddite movement: destryoing weaving machines didn't solve the actually underlying problem.



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Leynos said:

AI Psychosis is another thing. Suicides and any day now there will be some mass murder tied to AI. Test scores and has been proven kids who use AI are getting dumber. This is what corps and the gov wants. It is the ultimate capitalist nightmare. 

There have actually already been multiple mass shootings tied to AI.



curl-6 said:
Leynos said:

AI Psychosis is another thing. Suicides and any day now there will be some mass murder tied to AI. Test scores and has been proven kids who use AI are getting dumber. This is what corps and the gov wants. It is the ultimate capitalist nightmare. 

There have actually already been multiple mass shootings tied to AI.

I'm a non violent person so there is zero danger of me going on some rampage. However Since I have an ND brain and some of it is already trouble perceiving some aspects about reality pre AI. AI has had me in anxiety attacks and I start to question is anything is real and if anything matters in brief moments. I doubt I ever lose my entire grip but it's clear some do lose their grip. AI is pandora's box from every aspect. The obvious is stealing works. Using way too much water and making the water undrinkable. Entire towns are without power as the power companies favored money over citizens. People with medical issues and such esp at risk. AI is the most evil thing and a capitalists dream. Playing some SNES game on PC or whatever the fuck is not worth the human and planetary cost. Those who choose to ignore are frogs boiling in water bringing down everyone else with them if this shit is not stopped.



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Very interesting how people view disruption differently. 

Personally I am very much against IP (have been since 2017), and think decompilation and recompilation projects being accelerated is pretty awesome. 

With no frontier company able to attain a monopoly on model quality (they keep leapfrogging eachother), I think there is a mitigated (albeit not totally eliminated) risk of centralization, which would be the biggest concern of this. Open models are pretty good and can be accessed quite cheaply. 

I understand why this might bother people who fall more on the stability and order end of the "order vs. chaos" spectrum though. 

Personally, I see AI coding (as somebody who writes code on a daily basis) as no different from any movement up an abstraction layer. Most people coding in the last two decades aren't touching assembly code, as an example. Yes, some functional knowledge is lost to most in that. But it is fine, because other knowledge and technique is gained. They still can produce quality high-level code, in so much as they know how the algorithms and data structures they're handling work with a minimal level of detail. What happens with going even another level up to natural language is that the work of "coding" is moved to the systems engineering level, and the focus is on systems design. Those who are good at that still have a technical advantage.

As an example, in the last year especially but to a degree even before then, much of my day to day has been building out semantic-layer data models, standardizing metrics, etc. These are things AI agents still struggle with to an extent, because they often have blurry internal world models and can't sift through business context as seamlessly as a group of humans can. A lot less of my time is spent thinking about a specific module, API, or any other syntax quirk. Which is fine. That was the more frustrating part of the job anyway. Eventually (maybe a year from now; maybe a month) coding and design agents will be good at these sort of metric definition  and semantic modeling tasks. Then we move up another layer of how to clearly communicate problems and needs. 

And yes, probably some day in the next decade or two, most white collar work will be automated or automatable. The necessary implication of that, if we allow our social institutions to evolve with the technology, is a realistic version of the FALGSC  meme. The key is that we have to evolve socially, and I am sure that is also scary to the people who are more order-motivated and stability-sensitive.



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Mnementh said:
Leynos said:

Tesla self driving bullshit has killed people and I mean both drivers and others. It's shit. Googles Self Driving injured many and caused many accidents. But people do do! Yes but when that happens you have someone to take responsibility either by insurance or law. You can't do a fucking thing do a trillion dollar corp. Self driving AI bullshit can't even tell a human face from a toy.

That argument is always weak. Human drivers kill and mutilate so much people every day. Self-driving cars don't need to be perfect, if they are on average better than human drivers than it is already a big win for the reduction of human suffering.

There is also a lack of imagination of potential solutions in these accounts. The solution to the responsibility problem of self-driving car injuries is to cooperativize, municipalize, or nationalize the car fleet, as we should with any other public transportation infrastructure. Then through direct control the public can invest in safer iterations of these technologies through co-production. In so much as private fleets are allowed, then they should be required to have comprehensive insurance. 

I've said it in other threads on the topic, but people sooner imagine the end of the world before they imagine the end of (or apparently even a slight moderation of) capitalism. This becomes a problem, because just saying "end all development of a wide array of technologies that fall under an umbrella label - AI" isn't an actual solution to the problems of technological disruption. The problems are economic and social problems that can only be solved through the coordination and a mass movement of the working class. But 50 years of neo-liberalism has ended in a learned helplessness, so it is understandable why people don't think alternatives are possible.



sc94597 said:
Mnementh said:

That argument is always weak. Human drivers kill and mutilate so much people every day. Self-driving cars don't need to be perfect, if they are on average better than human drivers than it is already a big win for the reduction of human suffering.

There is also a lack of imagination of potential solutions in these accounts. The solution to the responsibility problem of self-driving car injuries is to cooperativize, municipalize, or nationalize the car fleet, as we should with any other public transportation infrastructure. Then through direct control the public can invest in safer iterations of these technologies through co-production. In so much as private fleets are allowed, then they should be required to have comprehensive insurance. 

I've said it in other threads on the topic, but people sooner imagine the end of the world before they imagine the end of (or apparently even a slight moderation of) capitalism. This becomes a problem, because just saying "end all development of a wide array of technologies that fall under an umbrella label - AI" isn't an actual solution to the problems of technological disruption. The problems are economic and social problems that can only be solved through the coordination and a mass movement of the working class. But 50 years of neo-liberalism has ended in a learned helplessness, so it is understandable why people don't think alternatives are possible.

Yeah, I noticed a lot of people are unable to think past capitalism in many instances. I like your public car idea, with self-driving cars I can order a car, when I leave the house it stands at the ready and can drive me where I want to go and then it doesn't stand still and take parking space but transports another person.



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sc94597 said:

Personally I am very much against IP (have been since 2017), and think decompilation and recompilation projects being accelerated is pretty awesome. 

As someone who would love to see more decompile/recompile ARM ports akin to OpenCE, can't wait.

As someone who predicts lot of "devs" with questionable morality decompiling games, stealing code and then releasing such games, which will, among other things, probably trigger draconian measures from AAA publishers in how they deliver games in the future...yeah, not so happy.



HoloDust said:
sc94597 said:

Personally I am very much against IP (have been since 2017), and think decompilation and recompilation projects being accelerated is pretty awesome. 

As someone who would love to see more decompile/recompile ARM ports akin to OpenCE, can't wait.

As someone who predicts lot of "devs" with questionable morality decompiling games, stealing code and then releasing such games, which will, among other things, probably trigger draconian measures from AAA publishers in how they deliver games in the future...yeah, not so happy.

Again, I am against IP. I think "stealing code" makes as much sense as stealing a theorem or the concept of "tree." Legally, of course one can distinguish it, but morality-wise it seems far more onerous to have "ownership" of ideas and all of the violent enforcement and inequality that that entails

I am not sure what AAA publishers can do about this other than not release executables by going full streaming, which is really just cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. What they earn by hampering pirates they lose many times over by having inaccessible distribution of their games.