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Norion said:
CaptainExplosion said:

It doesn't make taking drinking water, driving up electricity, driving up RAM and memory prices or taking farmland ok. Not to mention the mass layoffs.

Billionaires are the main reasons AI has become a bane of our existence.

As I've said before the water thing is basically a made up issue though yes there are indeed concerns but in terms of environmental harm specifically data centres are negligible compared to the actual major bad actors there. The actual major concerns surrounding AI is stuff like the potential for authoritarian regimes using it to retain power, its impact in warfare, how important it is that the first AGI and particularly the first ASI ends up being aligned right etc. Experts in the field of AI who are deeply concerned about it aren't talking about minor stuff like the environmental impact of data centres, they're talking about things like that.

I know about the suppression via data centres, which is why I was happy to hear Iran was bombing them.

There's still the matters of lay offs, noise pollution and loss of farmland because of AI.



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CaptainExplosion said:
Norion said:

As I've said before the water thing is basically a made up issue though yes there are indeed concerns but in terms of environmental harm specifically data centres are negligible compared to the actual major bad actors there. The actual major concerns surrounding AI is stuff like the potential for authoritarian regimes using it to retain power, its impact in warfare, how important it is that the first AGI and particularly the first ASI ends up being aligned right etc. Experts in the field of AI who are deeply concerned about it aren't talking about minor stuff like the environmental impact of data centres, they're talking about things like that.

I know about the suppression via data centres, which is why I was happy to hear Iran was bombing them.

There's still the matters of lay offs, noise pollution and loss of farmland because of AI.

While they suck in the short term in the long term lay offs are for the best since the goal is for all required labour for society to function to eventually be automated resulting in no one having to work to get by any more since robots will be taking care of everything. In general stuff like any noise pollution is incredibly minor compared to the actual major concerns surrounding AI so it would be for the best to focus more on the stuff that's really important.



Norion said:
CaptainExplosion said:

I know about the suppression via data centres, which is why I was happy to hear Iran was bombing them.

There's still the matters of lay offs, noise pollution and loss of farmland because of AI.

While they suck in the short term in the long term lay offs are for the best since the goal is for all required labour for society to function to eventually be automated resulting in no one having to work to get by any more since robots will be taking care of everything. In general stuff like any noise pollution is incredibly minor compared to the actual major concerns surrounding AI so it would be for the best to focus more on the stuff that's really important.

You want a world where everybody loses their job to automation? You realize what a dystopian nightmare that is? People can't buy houses without jobs. And then robots will see humans as effectively useless and destroy us all.



Is the world ready for a Star Trek utopia (Starfleet is pretty fascist as well, but the chosen ones live well)

If robots and AI are doing all the work, will people still be motivated to learn any skills? Or are we all going to be spoiled children with robot nannies in this Utopian fantasy. How many robots are needed to serve 8.3 billion people, global workforce is about 3.7 billion people. How much power do 4 billion robots need on top of 8.3 billion people living in leasure.

8.3 billion people just looking to entertain themselves travelling to already overcrowded tourist destinations, nothing else to do. Besides that, human biology thrives on routine, which is school -> work right now. What is going to replace that structure. Human routines were based on farming / gathering before that. How will the human pshyche cope with nothing to do. Rise of pedophiles? Billionaires don't seem very stable people to me, but that's the lifestyle this 'Utopia' promises.

Anyway there's a coming food crisis to solve first, water crisis, energy crisis, all linked with climate change. Hoping AI will solve it all in time sounds defeatist to me. Don't want to tackle these problems head on, just keep building data centers and hope AI will solve our problems while only making them worse in the short term.



SvennoJ said:

Is the world ready for a Star Trek utopia (Starfleet is pretty fascist as well, but the chosen ones live well)

If robots and AI are doing all the work, will people still be motivated to learn any skills? Or are we all going to be spoiled children with robot nannies in this Utopian fantasy. How many robots are needed to serve 8.3 billion people, global workforce is about 3.7 billion people. How much power do 4 billion robots need on top of 8.3 billion people living in leasure.

8.3 billion people just looking to entertain themselves travelling to already overcrowded tourist destinations, nothing else to do. Besides that, human biology thrives on routine, which is school -> work right now. What is going to replace that structure. Human routines were based on farming / gathering before that. How will the human pshyche cope with nothing to do. Rise of pedophiles? Billionaires don't seem very stable people to me, but that's the lifestyle this 'Utopia' promises.

Anyway there's a coming food crisis to solve first, water crisis, energy crisis, all linked with climate change. Hoping AI will solve it all in time sounds defeatist to me. Don't want to tackle these problems head on, just keep building data centers and hope AI will solve our problems while only making them worse in the short term.

But would people really not even need to have jobs? That sounds implausible and I don’t know how that could work.  If we got to the point where everything was automated then I guess the only way to make us not need to have jobs would be to establish socialism and a generous universal income. But even then, there would probably still be jobs available. 

It is also interesting to see how everyone here has a different vision for future, from capt explosion’s mild Luddite vision to Norion and Svenno J’s Star Trek-esque vision to my own capitalist one. 



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CaptainExplosion said:
Norion said:

As I've said before the water thing is basically a made up issue though yes there are indeed concerns but in terms of environmental harm specifically data centres are negligible compared to the actual major bad actors there. The actual major concerns surrounding AI is stuff like the potential for authoritarian regimes using it to retain power, its impact in warfare, how important it is that the first AGI and particularly the first ASI ends up being aligned right etc. Experts in the field of AI who are deeply concerned about it aren't talking about minor stuff like the environmental impact of data centres, they're talking about things like that.

I know about the suppression via data centres, which is why I was happy to hear Iran was bombing them.

There's still the matters of lay offs, noise pollution and loss of farmland because of AI.

Didn't you wish genocide and carpet bombing for them in them in the past?

But yeah takes on this thread are so deranged. AI is here to stay and a major productivity boost for white collar industries. People are going to need to adapt and cope.

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SvennoJ said:

Is the world ready for a Star Trek utopia (Starfleet is pretty fascist as well, but the chosen ones live well)

If robots and AI are doing all the work, will people still be motivated to learn any skills? Or are we all going to be spoiled children with robot nannies in this Utopian fantasy. How many robots are needed to serve 8.3 billion people, global workforce is about 3.7 billion people. How much power do 4 billion robots need on top of 8.3 billion people living in leasure.

8.3 billion people just looking to entertain themselves travelling to already overcrowded tourist destinations, nothing else to do. Besides that, human biology thrives on routine, which is school -> work right now. What is going to replace that structure. Human routines were based on farming / gathering before that. How will the human pshyche cope with nothing to do. Rise of pedophiles? Billionaires don't seem very stable people to me, but that's the lifestyle this 'Utopia' promises.

Anyway there's a coming food crisis to solve first, water crisis, energy crisis, all linked with climate change. Hoping AI will solve it all in time sounds defeatist to me. Don't want to tackle these problems head on, just keep building data centers and hope AI will solve our problems while only making them worse in the short term.

^This. Norion speaks like someone who's been paid off by AI companies.



CaptainExplosion said:
Norion said:

While they suck in the short term in the long term lay offs are for the best since the goal is for all required labour for society to function to eventually be automated resulting in no one having to work to get by any more since robots will be taking care of everything. In general stuff like any noise pollution is incredibly minor compared to the actual major concerns surrounding AI so it would be for the best to focus more on the stuff that's really important.

You want a world where everybody loses their job to automation? You realize what a dystopian nightmare that is? People can't buy houses without jobs. And then robots will see humans as effectively useless and destroy us all.

Thinking it'd be a dystopian nightmare cause people wouldn't be able to buy houses shows that you're unable to think beyond capitalism and envision a future world massively different than the present so no different than the people a long time ago who thought that feudalism was the best system there was ever gonna be. A future society where people are able to do whatever they want with their time cause robots are doing all required labour is a concept that has been thought about for a long time so equating envisioning that optimistic future with being paid off by AI companies is laughable. 



SvennoJ said:

Is the world ready for a Star Trek utopia (Starfleet is pretty fascist as well, but the chosen ones live well)

If robots and AI are doing all the work, will people still be motivated to learn any skills? Or are we all going to be spoiled children with robot nannies in this Utopian fantasy. How many robots are needed to serve 8.3 billion people, global workforce is about 3.7 billion people. How much power do 4 billion robots need on top of 8.3 billion people living in leasure.

8.3 billion people just looking to entertain themselves travelling to already overcrowded tourist destinations, nothing else to do. Besides that, human biology thrives on routine, which is school -> work right now. What is going to replace that structure. Human routines were based on farming / gathering before that. How will the human pshyche cope with nothing to do. Rise of pedophiles? Billionaires don't seem very stable people to me, but that's the lifestyle this 'Utopia' promises.

Anyway there's a coming food crisis to solve first, water crisis, energy crisis, all linked with climate change. Hoping AI will solve it all in time sounds defeatist to me. Don't want to tackle these problems head on, just keep building data centers and hope AI will solve our problems while only making them worse in the short term.

The Culture series sort of explores these questions. Of course, the setting of that series is a society that has moved beyond capitalism into a social-anarchist, post-scarcity setting. 

Arguably, humanoids are domesticated by the Minds in that series, but one can argue as well that we are already self-domesticated since the agricultural revolution (in fact, primitivists argue this.) 

I think there is a lot of interesting post-civilization literature on this and adjacent topics too. A synthesis of primitivist and pro-civilizationist perspectives is probably necessary for us to adjust, which post-civs attempt, but there might be other ways to explore a synthesis too.



Norion said:
CaptainExplosion said:

You want a world where everybody loses their job to automation? You realize what a dystopian nightmare that is? People can't buy houses without jobs. And then robots will see humans as effectively useless and destroy us all.

Thinking it'd be a dystopian nightmare cause people wouldn't be able to buy houses shows that you're unable to think beyond capitalism and envision a future world massively different than the present so no different than the people a long time ago who thought that feudalism was the best system there was ever gonna be. A future society where people are able to do whatever they want with their time cause robots are doing all required labour is a concept that has been thought about for a long time so equating envisioning that optimistic future with being paid off by AI companies is laughable. 

At this point it sounds like you're just trolling.