Which would you consider the best? | |||
| Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales | 0 | 0% | |
| Returnal | 7 | 14.89% | |
| Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart | 4 | 8.51% | |
| Gran Turismo 7 | 2 | 4.26% | |
| Horizon Forbidden West | 2 | 4.26% | |
| God of War: Ragnörak | 8 | 17.02% | |
| Marvel’s Spider-Man 2 | 1 | 2.13% | |
| Astro Bot | 20 | 42.55% | |
| Ghost of Yotēi | 2 | 4.26% | |
| Other | 1 | 2.13% | |
| Total: | 47 | ||
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| Manlytears said: Demon's Souls is not 1° party. Amazing game, but not 1° party title. |
Technically it is, it's published by Sony Interactive Entertainment, same as say Bayonetta 2/3 are first party games cos they are published by Nintendo.
Since we're including cross-gen games my top three are...
1. Astro Bot
2. Sackboy Big Adventure
3. Demons Souls. If I can't use a remake/remaster then Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart.
As a side I think Rift Apart is not nearly as good as the PS2 and PS3 games, so the bar for my top 3 is pretty low.
curl-6 said:
Technically it is, it's published by Sony Interactive Entertainment, same as say Bayonetta 2/3 are first party games cos they are published by Nintendo. |
It's a somewhat controversial topic, which is why it generates confusion among people; however, the classic notion of "first party" is that the studio (developer) belongs to the publisher.
I recall seeing statements from Microsoft that they always considered games published by them as first-party, regardless of who made them. This kind of confusion is understandable, however I reinforce the classic notion that first-party is when the studio belongs to the publisher.
I believe the most notorious examples are pokemon games like “Red”. It's not first party game, it's a second party exclusive, made by Game freak ( studio not owned by Nintendo), published by Nintendo and IP owned by 3 companies.
It's similar with OG Demon's Souls. It's made by From Software, published by Atlus (America), IP owned by Playstation.
By your standards OG Demon's Souls would be Atlus (now SEGA) third party exclusive game. But the game is published by Sony in JP, so... Kinda confusing, publisher can change depending on region.
The notion of "publishing = 1° party" can cause some major confusion. For exemple, Call of Duty: Black Ops 4 is not Playstation 1° party, but it is published by Sony in Japan.
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Manlytears said:
It's a somewhat controversial topic, which is why it generates confusion among people; however, the classic notion of "first party" is that the studio (developer) belongs to the publisher. I recall seeing statements from Microsoft that they always considered games published by them as first-party, regardless of who made them. This kind of confusion is understandable, however I reinforce the classic notion that first-party is when the studio belongs to the publisher. I believe the most notorious examples are pokemon games like “Red”. It's not first party game, it's a second party exclusive, made by Game freak ( studio not owned by Nintendo), published by Nintendo and IP owned by 3 companies. It's similar with OG Demon's Souls. It's made by From Software, published by Atlus (America), IP owned by Playstation. By your standards OG Demon's Souls would be Atlus (now SEGA) third party exclusive game. But the game is published by Sony in JP, so... Kinda confusing, publisher can change depending on region. The notion of "publishing = 1° party" can cause some major confusion. For exemple, Call of Duty: Black Ops 4 is not Playstation 1° party, but it is published by Sony in Japan.
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Demon Souls Remake wasn't just published by SIE, it was also co-developed by Japan Studio, a first party dev, so I'd say it's fair game to call it a first party title.
curl-6 said:
Demon Souls Remake wasn't just published by SIE, it was also co-developed by Japan Studio, a first party dev, so I'd say it's fair game to call it a first party title. |
You mean the original, Japan Studio helped with that one.
Sadly Japan Studios was dead for years when Bluepoint remade it.
curl-6 said:
Demon Souls Remake wasn't just published by SIE, it was also co-developed by Japan Studio, a first party dev, so I'd say it's fair game to call it a first party title. |
A very valid argument... Co-development indeed puts a "nice grey" in the line that draws the line for "first party" game.
That said, I still believe that "published = first party" is very wrong. Years of "PR-spin" caused much confusion when it comes to call a game First/Second/Third Party.
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BraLoD said:
You mean the original, Japan Studio helped with that one. Sadly Japan Studios was dead for years when Bluepoint remade it. |
Ah, Wikipedia has misled me it seems.
Still, a Sony-published remake of a game co-developed by Sony is a valid pick for "first party".
BraLoD said:
You mean the original, Japan Studio helped with that one. Sadly Japan Studios was dead for years when Bluepoint remade it. |
Still, Japan Studios participated in the og Demon's Souls, how much?? Hard to say...
We know that Bloodborne had a major participation of Japan Studios, there are many interviews that prove it. That said, we don't know if the same is true with Demon's Souls, but it would be unfair to exclude Japan Studios...
Yeah, kinda of a grey area...
And the Remake... Well, Bluepoint participation reinforce Sony first party presence. The fucking line becomes even more blurry and grey.
Manlytears said:
Still, Japan Studios participated in the og Demon's Souls, how much?? Hard to say... We know that Bloodborne had a major participation of Japan Studios, there are many interviews that prove it. That said, we don't if the same is true with Demon's Souls, but it would be unfair to exclude Japan Studios... Yeah, kinda of a grey area... And the Remake... Well, Bluepoint participation reinforce Sony first party presence. The fucking line becomes even more blurry and grey. |
With Sony owning the IP and Japan Studios co-developing it, I consider both Demon's Souls and Bloodborne as Sony second party games.
Death Strading would be a trickier one, Sony owned the IP originally for 1, it is supposedly sold to Kojima now right before 2 released, Kojima Productions developed both but both were developed on a Sony engine, Decima from Guerilla Games, which they certainly helped him a lot with if they never participated in any kind of creative decision I would suppose.
I always considered that one second party but if Sony did sell the IP at least 2 may be considered thrid party.
BraLoD said:
I'll try to boot up a solo play for all 3 kinds of modes later and let you know if I can play solo, as every time I choose to match with other people instead, up until now. I'm not sure if it works without PS+ tho. Free games do, but it is not a free game tho, and it's built inside GoY and not a separated "purchase". Yeah, PS+ is expensive, sadly. Edit: I can confirm you can indeed play all 3 modes solo, but well... aside from the Story mode I REALLY recommend you not to. You get no help whatsoever so Incursions will be insane in the boss fights alone, and Survival, well, pretty much impossible unless you go do silver levels when you have platinum level gear, you'll always lose 2 of the 3 bases as you can only be once at a time, so aside from Story you really won't get anything good out of it if not matching with other players. Raids should be even worse to try alone once they release too. |
Alright, thanks for checking it out! Sounds kind of like Legends in GoT, so probably not great, but I'm also probably curious enough to check it out.
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