I like the idea of games being available on as many platforms as possible so more people can enjoy them. Restricting access to specific hardware nowadays tend to make me resent the brand rather than support it.
I like the idea of games being available on as many platforms as possible so more people can enjoy them. Restricting access to specific hardware nowadays tend to make me resent the brand rather than support it.
Sogreblute said:
Day one releases will slightly hurt their console sales, but it's made up with the profits of their PC ports. If anything it will benefit Sony more. Lets say a small percent will buy a PS5 for the few exclusives it has, Sony would lose more money because that person wouldn't buy anything else on the system and not subscribe to PS+, no 3rd party sales, no microtransactions, etc. If Sony did day one releases and those people won't buy a PS5 anymore they still will get their money through their PC ports, and be able to sell to the millions of PC gamers that refused to buy a PS5. |
Selling on PS5 means Sony gets 100% of the money from purchases (digital), on PC it's about 30% I believe
Any sale from people who own both platforms (PC and PS5) and chosses to buy on PC is a loss for Sony, this is why day-one releases would never happen anytime soon
IcaroRibeiro said:
Selling on PS5 means Sony gets 100% of the money from purchases (digital), on PC it's about 30% I believe Any sale from people who own both platforms (PC and PS5) and chosses to buy on PC is a loss for Sony, this is why day-one releases would never happen anytime soon |
Sony loses money on each PS5 sold (except the Pro). Yes they make 100% of the software sale on their system but they need to try to make the loses on their console back per purchase. Each store on PC has their own cuts. Steam has 70% then 75% after $10 million has been made then 80% after $50 million. Epic Games has 88%, GOG 70% and Xbox PC 88%.
Also, as I stated Sony would make more money from all PC gamers if they put their games day one on PC than trying to sell to the select few PC gamers that will buy a PS5 to play the one or two games they want.
Sogreblute said:
Sony loses money on each PS5 sold (except the Pro). Yes they make 100% of the software sale on their system but they need to try to make the loses on their console back per purchase. Each store on PC has their own cuts. Steam has 70% then 75% after $10 million has been made then 80% after $50 million. Epic Games has 88%, GOG 70% and Xbox PC 88%. Also, as I stated Sony would make more money from all PC gamers if they put their games day one on PC than trying to sell to the select few PC gamers that will buy a PS5 to play the one or two games they want. |
Sony lost money on PS5 for around a year. Eventually consoles start getting profitable themselves during the generation.
Not sure how things may be next year with the prices rising on components, tho.
Also, getting people on PS5 potentially bring them more PS Plus subscribers, and Sony has been making ridiculous ammounts of money with that, aside from 100% of their own game sales + 30% of any game anyone buys on PSN.
BraLoD said:
Sony lost money on PS5 for around a year. Eventually consoles start getting profitable themselves during the generation. Not sure how things may be next year with the prices rising on components, tho. Also, getting people on PS5 potentially bring them more PS Plus subscribers, and Sony has been making ridiculous ammounts of money with that, aside from 100% of their own game sales + 30% of any game anyone buys on PSN. |
Exactly, Sony only lost money on hardware on this recent holiday quarter because of all the discounts but other than that, PS5 hardware has been profitable up to now.
Sogreblute said:
Sony loses money on each PS5 sold (except the Pro). Yes they make 100% of the software sale on their system but they need to try to make the loses on their console back per purchase. Each store on PC has their own cuts. Steam has 70% then 75% after $10 million has been made then 80% after $50 million. Epic Games has 88%, GOG 70% and Xbox PC 88%. Also, as I stated Sony would make more money from all PC gamers if they put their games day one on PC than trying to sell to the select few PC gamers that will buy a PS5 to play the one or two games they want. |
Sony's games sell a few hundred million per generation on consoles, with potential to near-double the amount if their output is improved. They had a crazy momentum from PS4, but the shortages and GaaS initiative messed them up. Gradually, they may return to shape. Hundreds of millions will sell tons of consoles to customers who will end up buying more 3rd party games on their platform.
Exclusivity is done by everyone except new Microsoft. Counter Strike 2, Dota 2, and even small games like Half-Life Alyx remain Steam exclusive. Fortnite on PC is exclusive to the Epic Games Store. Why isn't anyone throwing a tantrum about what's going on there? Is Valve ran by a bunch of dumbasses or do they get a free pass?
Exclusive content sell. And platform holders still make exclusive deals with 3rd party titles that are much smaller than their own tentpole titles, meaning "exclusives of all kinds add value to platforms", because why else are they still a thing? Even games that barely sell a single million like Bayonetta are exclusive to Nintendo's platform, because Nintendo understands that quality titles constitute their brand's image and reputation.
Nobody sells as many combined exclusives as Nintendo. This doesn't make smaller software deals "pointless". Sony's top games are more significant than Bayonetta or Metroid Prime lol. Not everything needs to be on Mario Kart's or Animal Crossing's or Pokemon's tier.
As for hardware profitability... Nobody knows how much anyone is making or losing from hardware at the moment. So why do you pretend to know? PS5 (disc drive edition) was profitable a few months into the generation, but the chip prices kept rising and Sony adjusted their hardware pricing accordingly. The "timeline" of their hardware profit/loss is not known to anyone.

BraLoD said:
So you'll miss the games you like because you need to set up a free account or have another launcher? I really can't understand it, if they charged for it, sure, would make a lot of sense, but come on... Were people not gaming on PC before Steam? I have found memories of my desktop filled with game icons from all over the place, and even the launcher for Gunbound is still ingrained in my mind and looking at it would make me happy right now lol. Or logging in websites to play games on an internet page because they interested me. I understand having all in one place is desirable, but avoiding games because of it?... it literally cost you nothing. |
Yes indeed they where! in fact if i remember right people hated being forced to use Steam at the time to play and activate HL2.
But its come a long way since then and now its a savior or has been one to PC gaming.



| Kyuu said: Exclusivity is done by everyone except new Microsoft. Counter Strike 2, Dota 2, and even small games like Half-Life Alyx remain Steam exclusive. Fortnite on PC is exclusive to the Epic Games Store. Why isn't anyone throwing a tantrum about what's going on there? Is Valve ran by a bunch of dumbasses or do they get a free pass? |
People complain about Epic exclusives all the time. Steam mostly gets a free pass because it's genuinely a great service, even with its flaws. Personally I have my reservations about Steam as well but it's proven to be a good service (although I have my worries regarding the time after Gabe).
Last edited by Zkuq - on 08 March 2026Zkuq said:
People complain about Epic exclusives all the time. Steam mostly gets a free pass because it's genuinely a great service, even with its flaws. Personally I have my reservations about Steam as well but it's proven to be a good service (although I have my worries regarding the time after Gabe). |
Most complain about 3rd party exclusives, not Fortnite. If Valve as a platform holder can keep their stuff exclusive to their service, why can't other platform holders do the same?
It's all platform warring and entitled gamer BS. I don't see Playstation or Nintendo fans (that aren't also PC gamers) demanding other platform holders to port their games to their preferred platforms, or acting all obnoxious about it. I would have loved to have Half Life Alyx on my PSVR2, but I understand why it isn't a thing and respect it.
That's not to say PS and Nintendo fanboys are angels. They're insufferable in their own unique ways lol.

Kyuu said:
Most complain about 3rd party exclusives, not Fortnite. If Valve as a platform holder can keep their stuff exclusive to their service, why can't other platform holders do the same? It's all platform warring and entitled gamer BS. I don't see Playstation or Nintendo fans (that aren't also PC gamers) demanding other platform holders to port their games to their preferred platforms, or acting all obnoxious about it. I would have loved to have Half Life Alyx on my PSVR2, but I understand why it isn't a thing and respect it. That's not to say PS and Nintendo fanboys are angels. They're insufferable in their own unique ways lol. |
Don't look at me. I prefer GOG because it lets me back up the games so I can keep them even if the service ever goes down, so I'm kind of choosing the service that lets me not be dependent on it. Also, like I said, I have my reservations about Steam, but my tolerance for it is fairly high because it's a quality service that offers more than any consoles do, has free online play, and doesn't require me to purchase a device for hundreds of euros just to be tied to the one service. If Steam ever starts requiring a dedicated device that doesn't allow other services, my tolerance will definitely be hurt severely. Luckily PC is an open platform, and if Steam screws up too badly, a competitor might be able to rise up. That's simply impossible on consoles and a major reason why I've shifted away from consoles as much as reasonably possible.
Anyway, for these reasons and possibly more, I don't think the comparison to consoles is entirely fair. There are definitely ways where it's just as bad as consoles, but there are also aspects that make it easier to excuse it for.
Also, a lot of people are no doubt being hypocritical and/or obnoxious about this. Of course I suspect that's just people being people in general...