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Is the switch an 8th gen console

Yes its 8th gen 19 41.30%
 
Yes its 9th gen 27 58.70%
 
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Leynos said:
Louie said:

Just some thoughts:
1) What if Nintendo created Schroedingers console? They simultaneously won and lost the 8th generation with the Switch and the Wii U, respectively.
2) If we count the PSP as a home console, Sony actually won the 7th generation.
3) We could put Nintendo's and Sony's consoles into separate generations. That way, both companies will win 100% of the generations they partake in, as long as release schedules stay the same as they are now.

On a serious note: I think the best way to think about this is to simply look at yearly sales trends over a prolonged period of time and add both home and handheld (and hybrid) consoles to that. An actual market share graph.

How would PSP make Sony win the 7th gen when Wii & DS sold 255 million combined units. Nothing comes close to that number. PS3 and PSP don't come close not even PS2 and PSP. PS2 is not a 7th gen console so it does not count.

I think the logic was that since the PSP could be connected to a TV via cable it counts as a home console. The DS couldn't, thus it's a handheld. Which means PS3 + PSP > Wii, which makes Sony the winner in the home console space (as handhelds don't count).

It's just a joke, by the way. 



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I made a rough graph of worldwide hardware market share (Sony and Nintendo only, no Xbox), consoles and handhelds combined, from 2010 to 2025. Numbers are according to VGChartz and up until November 2025. Subject to errors, of course. Full disclaimer: I'm a pesky European, so there are commas instead of dots. 

Also, back in 2007 to 2010 or so, I worked for VGchartz as a writer and analyst. During this time I took the time to dig up some older sales data and make a graph for global hardware market share for all major companies. Note: In this graph, Nintendo is blue and Sony is red - that's just how it was back then. Maybe someone thinks these are interesting. In my opinion, this is the best way to determine who "wins" in the console business.

Please note: 2010 numbers are different (and probably correct) in the old graph, since VGChartz doesn't track the PS2 and thus its 2010 sales are not represented in the first graph.



I am realizing now, if Switch 2 sell more than PS5 then logical reasoning will align with console warring and Switch 1 and 2 will be considered 9th and 10th gen systems just to give the win for PS4 on 8th gen. Thats is just how pathetically the internet rolls



 

 

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160rmf said:

I am realizing now, if Switch 2 sell more than PS5 then logical reasoning will align with console warring and Switch 1 and 2 will be considered 9th and 10th gen systems just to give the win for PS4 on 8th gen. Thats is just how pathetically the internet rolls

It's funny you post that in this thread, because this thread was made for the sole purpose of the exact opposite, give Nintendo as many "championships", by the OP wording, over Playstation so he could be happy with it.

But then you come to post about how it's made to make the PS4 win something, but of course...

It's really amusing to see how the interner rolls, indeed!



The thing is, with generational lines blurring the way they are we are always going to have these discussions because declaring a "winner" is not so clear-cut.

Overall, the picture looks like this: About 2/3 of the time Nintendo is market leader and around 1/3 of the time Sony is.

Who's selling the most consoles depends on which point of the product lifecycle a company's console is at, though. Consoles usually start slow, then peak and then decline again. So it's always fluctuating. Things have changed a lot since the PS2 and DS days when a winner could easily be declared.



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BraLoD said:
160rmf said:

I am realizing now, if Switch 2 sell more than PS5 then logical reasoning will align with console warring and Switch 1 and 2 will be considered 9th and 10th gen systems just to give the win for PS4 on 8th gen. Thats is just how pathetically the internet rolls

It's funny you post that in this thread, because this thread was made for the sole purpose of the exact opposite, give Nintendo as many "championships", by the OP wording, over Playstation so he could be happy with it.

But then you come to post about how it's made to make the PS4 win something, but of course...

It's really amusing to see how the interner rolls, indeed!

You talk about this thread, I am talking about this subject that started way before, when Switch was declared DOA...

At first, I thought: "how come some people are so dense that cant understand a simple concept such as generation?", then time passed and I realized the motivation behind that stupid reasoning using so many arbitary characteristics when its convinient, such as power, library and other stuff with the sole reason to give their favorite system the imaginary throphy of "Xth generation winner".

When Switch was showing signs to be a huge success, I could see many posts such as: "Nintendo won 8th gen bc it had 2 chances"

I read this thread more like a "Ha! You all started this shit, now deal with it"

Last edited by 160rmf - on 08 January 2026

 

 

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Louie said:

The thing is, with generational lines blurring the way they are we are always going to have these discussions because declaring a "winner" is not so clear-cut.

Overall, the picture looks like this: About 2/3 of the time Nintendo is market leader and around 1/3 of the time Sony is.

Who's selling the most consoles depends on which point of the product lifecycle a company's console is at, though. Consoles usually start slow, then peak and then decline again. So it's always fluctuating. Things have changed a lot since the PS2 and DS days when a winner could easily be declared.

The Switch 8 years in the market had it be the best selling system in 4 of them (2019 to 2022), so 50% of its lifecycle.

The PS4 7 years in the market had it be the best selling system in 5 of them (2014 to 2018), ~71,5% of its lifecycle.

The PS5 4 years up until now it had been the best selling system in 2 of them and we are about to discover if the PS5 or the Switch 2 was the best selling system for 2025, which would be PS5 5th year, so either 40% or 60% of its lifecycle up until now.

So even in the last 10 years or so, with the Switch sucess, a Playstation system was the market leader more often than not, not the opposite.

Nintendo systems have the biggest peak sales, that are much higher, but are not the market leaders more often than not.

Going back and including all kinds of hardware sales, when Nintendo was still supporting 2 simultaneous systems, yeah, historically Nintendo itself as a whole was the market leader for A LOT of the time.



160rmf said:
BraLoD said:

It's funny you post that in this thread, because this thread was made for the sole purpose of the exact opposite, give Nintendo as many "championships", by the OP wording, over Playstation so he could be happy with it.

But then you come to post about how it's made to make the PS4 win something, but of course...

It's really amusing to see how the interner rolls, indeed!

You talk about this thread, I am talking about this subject that started way before, when Switch was declared DOA...

At first, I thought: "how come some people are so dense that cant understand a simple concept such as generation?", then time passed and I realized the motivation behind that stupid reasoning with so many arbitary characteristics such as power, library and other stuff are the sole reason to give their favorite system the imaginary throphy of "Xth generation winner".

When Switch was showing signs to be a huge success, I could see many posts such as: "Nintendo won 8th gen bc it had 2 chances"

I read this thread more like a "Ha! You all started this shit, now deal with it"

Or generations don't make sense because of out of cycle launches.  

ps4: 2013

switch: 2017

ps5: 2020

Switch is close to being equally between the ps4 and ps5, so what generation is it?  Answer should be, who ****ing cares?  But staying on topic, there isn't a clean answer.  Everyone is going to have a difference of opinion.  

Plus, while console gamers are warring, Steam and Epic have 225,000,000 monthly active users.  

Edit

ps5: 2020

Switch 2: 2025

ps6(?): 2028

Again, what generation is the Switch 2?  Heck if I know.  I do know it has great games; I own one and I don't work for Nintendo.



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Chrkeller said:

what generation was pinball?

Pong is considered as a late Gen 1 console together with Odyssey. Perhaps you can also argue that it was the start of Gen 2.

Last edited by siebensus4 - on 08 January 2026

Chrkeller said:

People do realize sales do not equate to money in one's pocket, yeah? Raw sales do not take into account operating costs.  What matters is net profit.

From a business perspective the real winner is whomever is making the most money, not selling the most units.

Shush - don't muddy the waters on this pointless but otherwise entertaining thread with an alternate perspective and facts! The gall sir, the gall.