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Was it the right decision?

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No 10 11.90%
 
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Soundwave said:
BraLoD said:

And the repeat continues over and over again.

1. Pretent to laugh because is in panic
2. Ignore any and every question
3. Talk about how Nintendo changed from 20 years ago, when not asked
4. Say it's not Wii, Wii U (repeat all consoles for the 45th time), again, not part of any question to him
5. Repeat the same list of games when talking about anything else, mostly hardware
6. Champions Nintendo, poor Nintendo, but nobody is attacking it, he heard it somewhere back then tho
7. Repeat ad aeternum

By this point it would be more fruitful to answer with a random cake recipe, or a list of your favorite movies by genre, the result will be the same, the anwser cycle too, but at least someome else may find inspiration to go do something else.

Or cite about the 10 different accurate predictions I made about the Switch 2 that were correct. 

Why are you even in this thread? This isn't a PS4 thread, it's like a guy inserting his wife into a topic so he can get into an argument about a perceived slight about his wife when the topic wasn't even about her to begin with. 

I don't give a shit about the PS4 frankly. It has nothing to do with the Switch 2. Maybe PS4 can run Star Wars Outlaws, probably it cannot without it being seriously retooled, otherwise they probably would make a version of it given they need every sale they can get. It's not like Ubi Soft gets less money for a game on the PS4 versus PS5, why would they care which platform the sales come from. Maybe the Sega Dreamcast can run it too. Maybe you can port it and tell us. That doesn't have much to do with the Switch 2 or Nintendo either. 

If you're going to be in a thread that deals with Nintendo historically, sure you might yeah want to know about their shifting hardware stances over the decades and how that can change and how that relates to Switch 2. Because it's actually part of the topic. 

Nintendo made a decision to get out of the "arms race" but that was 20 plus years ago (hence why 20 years is brought up, not just randomly). That approach worked for a while and then fizzled out as has been discussed. That's not the Nintendo of today, that's a fair distinction to make. That era of Nintendo is as long gone as the NES was when the Wii launched. 

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Strawberry Shortcake Cake

Ingredients

Cake:

▢2½ cups all purpose flour, spooned and leveled

▢3 teaspoons baking powder

▢½ teaspoon salt

▢1¾ cups granulated sugar

▢½ cup vegetable or canola oil

▢2 large eggs, room temperature

▢2 large egg whites, room temperature

▢2½ teaspoons pure vanilla extract

▢½ teaspoon almond extract , optional, but highly recommended

▢⅔ cup sour cream

▢¾ cup milk , preferably whole or 2%, room temperature

Filling:

▢3 cups sliced or diced fresh strawberries , divided

▢2 tablespoons strawberry jam

▢additional whole strawberries , for garnish, optional

Frosting:

▢8 ounces cream cheese , softened to cool room temp

▢1 cup powdered sugar

▢¾ teaspoon vanilla extract

▢2¼ cups heavy whipping cream , really cold, straight from the fridge

Instructions

Cake:

Preheat oven to 350°F.

In a medium bowl, whisk flour, baking powder, and salt until combined. Set aside.

Using a stand mixer fitted with the paddle attachment (preferred) or a hand mixer, beat sugar, oil, eggs, egg whites, and extracts until combined. Add the sour cream and beat until combined. Add half of the flour mixture, beating until just combined. While still beating, slowly add milk, then the remaining flour mixture. Scrape the sides and bottom of the bowl as needed. Be careful not to overmix it.

Line three 8-inch cake pans** with parchment paper and grease the pans. Evenly divide the batter between the three pans. Tap/gently drop the pans on the countertop a couple times to remove any air bubbles.

Bake for 18-22 minutes, until a toothpick inserted into the center comes out clean. If necessary, rotate the pans once during bake time to ensure even browning. Place the pans on a rack to cool completely.

Filling:

Combine the strawberries and jam and set aside (these will be used for the filling and topping). Note: I slice the strawberries for the filling (about 2½ cups), and I diced the strawberries for the top of the cake (about ½ cup). You can slice or dice, your choice. You'll need about 3 cups total.

Frosting:

Place the cream cheese, powdered sugar, and vanilla extract in a large mixing bowl. Using a stand mixer with a whisk attachment (preferred) or hand mixer, beat the mixture on medium speed until smooth. While the mixer is still whipping, slowly pour the heavy cream down the side of the bowl. Stop and scrape the bottom and sides of the bowl periodically. Increase the speed to high and continue whipping until the cream can hold a stiff peak. It is important that the cream stays cold so that it will thicken properly. If you're using a hand mixer hold the bowl near the top and don't hold the bowl against your body.

Assembly:

Place one layer of cake on a platter. Top with one-third of the frosting, then top with about 1¼ cups of strawberries. Place another layer of cake on top and repeat. For the third/top of layer of cake, top with remaining whipped cream frosting, then place the remaining strawberries in the center. Decorate the outside with whole strawberries, if desired.

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I understand if you preffer a traditional chocolate cake though, you can't go wrong with it afterall.



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curl-6 said:

I mean, yes the Switch 2 has several advantages over the PS4 (DLSS, hardware raytracing, more RAM, fast I/O) and as such is a more capable system overall, that much is true.

At the same time, the Switch 2 is still Nintendo staying out of the graphics race just by the fact that it's a portable device, and that it's a $450 mass market machine. It's still a capable piece of kit for the price, but it's not a high end machine, and that's a good thing because if it was it would cost a fortune and sell poorly.

This is really getting into just semantics and how you label things. 

The Switch 2 is quite powerful and was expressly designed as such, in an interview with lead designers of the Switch 2 they mentioned that while the Switch 1 had an OK chip for its time, they weren't satisfied with its graphics capability of the Switch 1 and wanted better. And the Switch 1 wasn't like some terrible chip it could even run some PS4 tier games, most notably DOOM, Witcher 3, etc. The fact that the Tegra X1 didn't satisfy the new heads of Nintendo's hardware department tells you right there this ain't the old guard of Nintendo to begin with. 

If you have a hardware that can run the modern third party games, you are by default "in" the modern gaming cycle anyway, that is a huge distinction with the Switch 2 and say the Wii or Wii U or DS or 3DS. The PS2 didn't have the best graphics of its product cycle or time period, not even top 2. Games like Resident Evil 4 had to have its settings reduced to run on it, is it also a "budget console" for the early 2000s? No, I don't think anyone would label it that way. 

Nintendo would be fully within their rights to sell the Switch 2 for more money, it outputs visuals on par with more expensive handhelds in a thinner, smaller form factor, they would entirely reasonably within their rights to sell this for $550-$600 even if they wanted to, that is about an average range for a lot of PC handhelds and Switch 2 performs as well or better than those. Generally you have to go into the $800 range to get a notable improvement over the Switch 2, and even then not all the time, Switch 2 holds its own even against those devices in some cases. 

Nintendo obviously won't price that high as they have a broader mass market they want to sell to, but in terms of the game performance the machine provides, there's no reason they couldn't justify it. Comparable devices with similar/worse performance that are bulkier and heavier sell for $550, $600 easy. This thing runs games like Star Wars Outlaws better than a $550 Steam Deck, and it's thinner and lighter than that and yet they are charging significantly less for it. 

The net end result machine even though some people will never admit it or only admit it through gritted teeth is beyond expectation and a very promising start for Nintendo's new hardware division heads. They cooked with this kit, I have full confidence in them for future hardware. This for sure a new chapter in Nintendo hardware eras. Pretty much everything I wanted from this chip they basically delivered and even then some, I don't know how they got this kind of performance from 8nm and a battery that small, only sipping 10 watts for undocked ... it's crazy. They should get a raise. 

Last edited by Soundwave - on 13 January 2026

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Soundwave said:

lol the full Orin chip was a design for automobiles running off a *car battery*, if the Switch 2 used it would be comically oversized and cost far more, no shit they didn't use the full size chip. That chip was never designed for a game console, certainly not a portable one. 

Literally -all- the Orin chips were designed for automobiles via nVidia's DRIVE initiative.

nVidia then repurposed Orin for Jetson for industrial applications, automation, signage, robotics, IoT, edge devices and developers.

Almost like one piece of silicon can be used for multiple markets, who would have thunk?

A fully unlocked Tegra Orin can run in a handheld, Nintendo just chose not to in order to achieve a certain price/performance/power balance.
Nintendo's decision isn't an incorrect one.

But you would be a fool if you didn't acknowledge other and options were also available.

Soundwave said:

You can Google the Nvidia hardware leaks, there were Ada Lovelace features like media block and compression tech that show up in the data leaks for T239, it was discussed here years ago. Looking at the T239 chip under XRay and seeing that it's quite different from the Tegra T234 who knows how much else they took from the Lovelace designs because that definitely is not just a stripped/dumped T234. People using the Nvidia T234 Orin power calculator while well intentioned also turned out to be wrong I think ... Switch 2's chip has considerably better power efficiency, how exactly they pulled that off I would like to hear more from Nvidia and Nintendo on. I suspect they copied further features from Ada Lovelace to enable that, because at 8nm with that tiny ass battery they should not be getting these results. Not based on Orin power calculations anyhow. 

I don't subscribe to leaks and rumors, I subscribe to facts.

Plus... The burden of proof doesn't lay with me.
Try again or we can label your assertion as unsubstantiated and potentially false. Up to you.

Soundwave said:

On the scale of Nintendo hardware, Switch 2 is definitely on the "premium" end of that, meaning it is not budget hardware like the Wii, Wii U, 3DS, DS, Game Boy were. It's more in line with what the N64 or GameCube were for their time. I mean do you want to set up some official terminology just for this board on that because I'd be fine with that. Premium PC GPUs are generally what I consider the pricier ones, and yeah no one really does care that much about that because it's not a big part of the market. Again if you want to establish some kind of official board nomenclature for that for everyone to abide by, fine. 

If your comparison on whether the Switch 2 is Premium or not is a comparison directly with other Nintendo devices... Then you need to realize that Nintendo doesn't exist in a vacuum, it has competitors.

The Switch 2 is NOT a premium device.


And considering you literally just said "No one cares if a device is premium" kinda' makes your argument entirely pointless anyway.
Stop backflipping.

Premium GPU's are not just "pricier ones" you can get "Premium" GPU's at every price point, they are for professional users. I.E. Quadro, Instinct, Radeon Pro, RTX Pro and more.

A low-end Quadro might be cheaper and perform slower than a Geforce RTX 5090, but it's still a premium part, it's the price relative to performance that is the key driver, you are paying more for better support, better drivers and certain features that appeal to professional users.

THAT is a premium part. Just a higher priced, mid-range performing piece of hardware like the Switch 2? That's not Premium.
Soundwave said:

Clearly there are huge differences between Nintendo of 2026 and Nintendo of 2006 just like there are huge differences between Nintendo of 1996 and 2006.

No one has argued otherwise.

Soundwave said:

You know people who grew up with the NES/SNES/N64/GameCube could say the same shit about the Wii/Wii U/DS/3DS being not the "real" Nintendo either. People need to stop using what they Nintendo has done in the past 10 years as some kind of holy religious decree that can't change, like yeah they might do the same thing again, but they might do the complete opposite too (and they have done that in their past also). You have to understand who is the head of the company and the hardware division too, that's not some small detail to gloss over. 

I have owned every single Nintendo console since the 1980's with the exception of the Gamecube and Wii. 
I don't care about the political "what is the real Nintendo" bullshit, I enjoy and judge the platform by the games they deliver... And yes, I will criticize key aspects from every console manufacturer if they deserve it... And right now, Nintendo deserves it with that stupid display.

Soundwave said:

The Switch 2 is quite powerful and was expressly designed as such, in an interview with lead designers of the Switch 2 they mentioned that while the Switch 1 had an OK chip for its time, they weren't satisfied with its graphics capability of the Switch 1 and wanted better. And the Switch 1 wasn't like some terrible chip it could even run some PS4 tier games, most notably DOOM, Witcher 3, etc. The fact that the Tegra X1 didn't satisfy the new heads of Nintendo's hardware department tells you right there this ain't the old guard of Nintendo to begin with. 

The Switch 1 SoC was able to do everything the Xbox One/Playstation 4 could do natively in hardware, there wasn't any need to rework any of the rendering pipeline.

The Switch 1 SoC was literally a fully unlocked Tegra X1.. If Nintendo wanted more, they could have had 50% more performance by opting for Tegra X2, which is pin-compatible and ISA compatible with the Tegra X1 being Pascal based. (And having better Delta Colour Compression for more memory bandwidth)
The Tegra X2 could run at higher clocks at the same TDP compared to Tegra X1.

The Tegra X1 chip in the Switch was a competent albeit mid-range chip for 2017. It just sacrificed clockrates to maintain TDP.

And the Switch 2?
It's not even a fully unlocked Tegra Orin chip, it's also reduced in clocks... And compared to other chips on the market is definitely mid-range in the ARM SoC space.
Ironically Nintendo also had the option with Switch 2 to have 50% more performance on release at the same TDP by opting for Tegra Thor.

The 8nm Samsung chip isn't doing nVidia any favors in the ARM SoC space I am afraid, nVidia gave up on the market.




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curl-6 said:

I mean, yes the Switch 2 has several advantages over the PS4 (DLSS, hardware raytracing, more RAM, fast I/O) and as such is a more capable system overall, that much is true.

At the same time, the Switch 2 is still Nintendo staying out of the graphics race just by the fact that it's a portable device, and that it's a $450 mass market machine. It's still a capable piece of kit for the price, but it's not a high end machine, and that's a good thing because if it was it would cost a fortune and sell poorly.

I had my prediction at a ps4 up to a ps4 pro.  Honestly, I thought it would be more ps4 than ps4 pro, so it is around 30% more powerful than I expected.  30% isn't a generational leap, but very solid bump.  The system is great, and most importantly the software makes good use out of the system.  

Why are you claiming the S2 is $450?  Our Nintendo Expert informed us yesterday the price was $500!! 

Jokes aside, absolutely, Nintendo sells mass  appeal products, they need to balance price and power.  And at $450, Nintendo did a hell of a job.

The whole issue really comes from a single person who is insisting the S2 is "generations" beyond the ps4 which flatly false.  Not too mention lies about what products I own.  Lies about the S2 price.  Falsely accused me having alts etc.  Spreads fake information on architecture vs horsepower.  One person is the blame for this thread.  

On a side note, the S2 pro controller is my new favorite controller.  



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For me pesonally, yes, absolutely. I stopped caring about graphics about ten years ago. Because I can't see a friggin' difference anymore between low and ultra details. Sure, I can watch some digital foundry video that shows me a still image with 16x zoom to show me some detail that looks slightly better than in last gen or something. But I prefer to spend my time with actually playing games. Graphics have gotten good enough for me to not care about small details anymore. I used to be impressed by something like Crysis or Killzone 2 when those games initially released. But today when I see something like AC: Shadows or whatever the hell might be the shiniest game right now, I just think "looks nice", and that's it. Graphics just don't impress anymore as the jumps have gotten too small to really make a huge difference. That also applies to Pathtracing and stuff. Yes, the lightin in pathtraced Half-Life 2 looks gorgeous. But it's still Half-Life 2 and I kinda forget about the lighting or other stuff when I'm 30 minutes or so into a game.

Nintendos route lead to a portable system, which is absolutely fantastic for someone like me who travels a lot. Because in a train, on a plane or in a hotel room, my Switch 2 is indeed infinitely more powerful than my PS5 Pro that is sitting at home doing nothing. Yes, I know the PS Portal is a thing, but I don't like streaming with all the compression, lost connections, delay and stuff.

I prefer to get games on Switch 2 when they are available, although I do have a PS5 Pro. Portability beats the slight graphics upgrade any day of the week for me.



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OdinHades said:

For me pesonally, yes, absolutely. I stopped caring about graphics about ten years ago. Because I can't see a friggin' difference anymore between low and ultra details. Sure, I can watch some digital foundry video that shows me a still image with 16x zoom to show me some detail that looks slightly better than in last gen or something. But I prefer to spend my time with actually playing games. Graphics have gotten good enough for me to not care about small details anymore. I used to be impressed by something like Crysis or Killzone 2 when those games initially released. But today when I see something like AC: Shadows or whatever the hell might be the shiniest game right now, I just think "looks nice", and that's it. Graphics just don't impress anymore as the jumps have gotten too small to really make a huge difference. That also applies to Pathtracing and stuff. Yes, the lightin in pathtraced Half-Life 2 looks gorgeous. But it's still Half-Life 2 and I kinda forget about the lighting or other stuff when I'm 30 minutes or so into a game.

Nintendos route lead to a portable system, which is absolutely fantastic for someone like me who travels a lot. Because in a train, on a plane or in a hotel room, my Switch 2 is indeed infinitely more powerful than my PS5 Pro that is sitting at home doing nothing. Yes, I know the PS Portal is a thing, but I don't like streaming with all the compression, lost connections, delay and stuff.

I prefer to get games on Switch 2 when they are available, although I do have a PS5 Pro. Portability beats the slight graphics upgrade any day of the week for me.

Largely agree.  I mean I can see a difference between medium and ultra but have gotten to the point where it just doesn't have a punch that I care about.  In fact, I find myself using medium/high settings on PC just for the increased fps.  for me it feels like fps is the next big jump.  I absolutely loved Prime 4's 120 fps mode.  the one thing I love about nintendo, when possible, they prioritize fps. 

I also find resolution overrated as well.  1440p versus 4k, meh, roughly the same.  4k DLSS, yeah, plenty good. 

Nintendo is well positioned.  Bang for the buck, combined with the convenience of the hardware design, is top notch. 

Probably the happiest I have been with Nintendo hardware since the N64.      

As for the main question, did Nintendo make the right choice dropping out of the arms race, based on sales the answer is clearly "yes."  There is no question Nintendo (and Valve) are leading the industry at this point in time.  

edit

I meant to add that DLSS, while already impressive, is looking to significantly improve.  There is an Oblivion DLSS 4.5 picture floating around where the base image is 240/360p and it looks pretty solid with DLSS 4.5.  If DLSS continues to improve high end tech just isn't' going to be required for a quality output.  

Last edited by Chrkeller - on 14 January 2026

“Consoles are great… if you like paying extra for features PCs had in 2005.”
Pemalite said:
Soundwave said:

lol the full Orin chip was a design for automobiles running off a *car battery*, if the Switch 2 used it would be comically oversized and cost far more, no shit they didn't use the full size chip. That chip was never designed for a game console, certainly not a portable one. 

Literally -all- the Orin chips were designed for automobiles via nVidia's DRIVE initiative.

nVidia then repurposed Orin for Jetson for industrial applications, automation, signage, robotics, IoT, edge devices and developers.

Almost like one piece of silicon can be used for multiple markets, who would have thunk?

A fully unlocked Tegra Orin can run in a handheld, Nintendo just chose not to in order to achieve a certain price/performance/power balance.
Nintendo's decision isn't an incorrect one.

But you would be a fool if you didn't acknowledge other and options were also available.

Soundwave said:

You can Google the Nvidia hardware leaks, there were Ada Lovelace features like media block and compression tech that show up in the data leaks for T239, it was discussed here years ago. Looking at the T239 chip under XRay and seeing that it's quite different from the Tegra T234 who knows how much else they took from the Lovelace designs because that definitely is not just a stripped/dumped T234. People using the Nvidia T234 Orin power calculator while well intentioned also turned out to be wrong I think ... Switch 2's chip has considerably better power efficiency, how exactly they pulled that off I would like to hear more from Nvidia and Nintendo on. I suspect they copied further features from Ada Lovelace to enable that, because at 8nm with that tiny ass battery they should not be getting these results. Not based on Orin power calculations anyhow. 

I don't subscribe to leaks and rumors, I subscribe to facts.

Plus... The burden of proof doesn't lay with me.
Try again or we can label your assertion as unsubstantiated and potentially false. Up to you.

Soundwave said:

On the scale of Nintendo hardware, Switch 2 is definitely on the "premium" end of that, meaning it is not budget hardware like the Wii, Wii U, 3DS, DS, Game Boy were. It's more in line with what the N64 or GameCube were for their time. I mean do you want to set up some official terminology just for this board on that because I'd be fine with that. Premium PC GPUs are generally what I consider the pricier ones, and yeah no one really does care that much about that because it's not a big part of the market. Again if you want to establish some kind of official board nomenclature for that for everyone to abide by, fine. 

If your comparison on whether the Switch 2 is Premium or not is a comparison directly with other Nintendo devices... Then you need to realize that Nintendo doesn't exist in a vacuum, it has competitors.

The Switch 2 is NOT a premium device.


And considering you literally just said "No one cares if a device is premium" kinda' makes your argument entirely pointless anyway.
Stop backflipping.

Premium GPU's are not just "pricier ones" you can get "Premium" GPU's at every price point, they are for professional users. I.E. Quadro, Instinct, Radeon Pro, RTX Pro and more.

A low-end Quadro might be cheaper and perform slower than a Geforce RTX 5090, but it's still a premium part, it's the price relative to performance that is the key driver, you are paying more for better support, better drivers and certain features that appeal to professional users.

THAT is a premium part. Just a higher priced, mid-range performing piece of hardware like the Switch 2? That's not Premium.
Soundwave said:

Clearly there are huge differences between Nintendo of 2026 and Nintendo of 2006 just like there are huge differences between Nintendo of 1996 and 2006.

No one has argued otherwise.

Soundwave said:

You know people who grew up with the NES/SNES/N64/GameCube could say the same shit about the Wii/Wii U/DS/3DS being not the "real" Nintendo either. People need to stop using what they Nintendo has done in the past 10 years as some kind of holy religious decree that can't change, like yeah they might do the same thing again, but they might do the complete opposite too (and they have done that in their past also). You have to understand who is the head of the company and the hardware division too, that's not some small detail to gloss over. 

I have owned every single Nintendo console since the 1980's with the exception of the Gamecube and Wii. 
I don't care about the political "what is the real Nintendo" bullshit, I enjoy and judge the platform by the games they deliver... And yes, I will criticize key aspects from every console manufacturer if they deserve it... And right now, Nintendo deserves it with that stupid display.

Soundwave said:

The Switch 2 is quite powerful and was expressly designed as such, in an interview with lead designers of the Switch 2 they mentioned that while the Switch 1 had an OK chip for its time, they weren't satisfied with its graphics capability of the Switch 1 and wanted better. And the Switch 1 wasn't like some terrible chip it could even run some PS4 tier games, most notably DOOM, Witcher 3, etc. The fact that the Tegra X1 didn't satisfy the new heads of Nintendo's hardware department tells you right there this ain't the old guard of Nintendo to begin with. 

The Switch 1 SoC was able to do everything the Xbox One/Playstation 4 could do natively in hardware, there wasn't any need to rework any of the rendering pipeline.

The Switch 1 SoC was literally a fully unlocked Tegra X1.. If Nintendo wanted more, they could have had 50% more performance by opting for Tegra X2, which is pin-compatible and ISA compatible with the Tegra X1 being Pascal based. (And having better Delta Colour Compression for more memory bandwidth)
The Tegra X2 could run at higher clocks at the same TDP compared to Tegra X1.

The Tegra X1 chip in the Switch was a competent albeit mid-range chip for 2017. It just sacrificed clockrates to maintain TDP.

And the Switch 2?
It's not even a fully unlocked Tegra Orin chip, it's also reduced in clocks... And compared to other chips on the market is definitely mid-range in the ARM SoC space.
Ironically Nintendo also had the option with Switch 2 to have 50% more performance on release at the same TDP by opting for Tegra Thor.

The 8nm Samsung chip isn't doing nVidia any favors in the ARM SoC space I am afraid, nVidia gave up on the market.

And literally every console could have used a better chip. The PS5 could have had a better chip. The Gamecube could have had a better chip. The PS2 could have had a better chip. The XBox Series S/X, there were better chips available, why is it for this one console we need to act like Nintendo has committed some kind of mortal sin? The chip they chose performs very well and I have no problem giving them props for that.

The Orin chip is not suitable to be 1:1 put into a portable game console it had a lot of shit in it that's useless for a game console and is a massive chip for a portable. It has a 455 mm die size, that's larger than a freaking launch PS5, there's no way it would get even an hour of battery life unless Nintendo completely changed the design and made a bulkier, more expensive, heavier system for little gain. 

The Nvidia leak has been proven to be correct, unless you think they just randomly guessed the CUDA core number and other facts from out of thin air (in which case maybe they should buy a lottery ticket), so yes the onus then lies on you to disprove that and show where it is incorrect if you have a problem with those conclusions. 

This is Switch 2 versus a $1000 portable (is that premium, or what do you want to call that? $1000 is budget friendly?). I would say this level of performance is significantly better than just "OK", this is holding its own fairly well against an extremely expensive gaming device. This comparison is also I believe without the early release performance patch for the Switch 2 and likely there will be other patches coming which will improve the performance of the Switch 2 version

Nintendo could easily have charged $600 for this hardware if they really wanted to, sure the ROG Ally X is better in some respects, but this is also a lot closer than it has any business being, the ROG Ally X is over 2x the cost of a Switch 2. It's just hilarious how many pretzels some people want to twist into to avoid acknowledging that this is probably a very different era of Nintendo hardware. This result is much more in line with systems like the GameCube and N64 which did have impressive hardware performance for their day. And this isn't likely even the best the Switch 2 can ever do, there likely will be better ports as the system is still early and Nintendo sent out dev kits late, there will be better examples of the Switch 2's hardware than this as time goes on. That is undocked only for the Switch 2 also obviously, docked mode may have better results in some areas.

To get this result too while the Switch 2 only runs at about 9-10 watts undocked from 8nm whereas the ROG Ally X there is using 20+ watts is also fairly impressive. The new hardware team at Nintendo and Nvidia did some impressive work in getting this level of performance from that low of a power draw (am I allowed to say that? Or is that not allowed here?). Watt for watt I don't think there's anything on the market that gets this performance at 10 watts. 

Last edited by Soundwave - on 14 January 2026

Bang for buck, S2 kills portable PC, imo. The S2 holds it own for half the price. I do not think anybody thinks otherwise, so it is an imaginary battle. The major benefit of PC portables is a Steam library that puts any console to shame. The real limit of PC mobile is AMD upscaling is utter crap.

And I think we need to be fair and honest about positions. Nobody is saying the S2 is cheap budget hardware. Nobody is saying the S2 falls massively behind current PC mobile. People are opposed the S2 being premium, because it is not. People are against the S2 being generations above the ps4, because it isn't.

Yesterday was a shit show, we should do better, and it starts with debating the actual positions people are taking, not imagined positions.



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Chrkeller said:

Bang for buck, S2 kills portable PC, imo. The S2 holds it own for half the price. I do not think anybody thinks otherwise, so it is an imaginary battle. The major benefit of PC portables is a Steam library that puts any console to shame. The real limit of PC mobile is AMD upscaling is utter crap.

And I think we need to be fair and honest about positions. Nobody is saying the S2 is cheap budget hardware. Nobody is saying the S2 falls massively behind current PC mobile. People are opposed the S2 being premium, because it is not. People are against the S2 being generations above the ps4, because it isn't.

Yesterday was a shit show, we should do better, and it starts with debating the actual positions people are taking, not imagined positions.

Who cares if someone says the Switch 2 performs comparable to a premium handheld device? So what if someone says that? What Bible did you write that makes that impossible to say. Even if that was someone's opinion, so what? Is your day that impacted if someone were to think that? Who died and decreed 3 or 4 people on this board get to decide which hardware gets categorized as such? All this gatekeeping bullshit about what can be considered good hardware from self imposed elitists is really tiresome. "People are opposed"? There's like 10 people total that post on this board, lol, it's a sad state of affairs to begin with. 

In my opinion this hardware result is very impressive, well beyond even my expectation and I had high expectations for this device, higher than most on this board. Further to that, I would say this is clearly a different Nintendo era under different leadership and it shows, this is much more in line with what the N64 and GameCube were for their day ... which was very impressive hardware for that time, with caveats made considering the Switch 2 is a portable device of course. 

Regarding generations, I was clearly discussing PC architecture and PC architecture generations, Ampere/Lovelace are several generations removed from GCN 2.0 that was used for the PS4. That's not even considering that Nvidia's architecture is generally considered better than AMD's to begin with (they don't have 90% plus GPU marketshare by random luck). If someone here wants to get their panties in a bunch about that, I frankly don't care. Ampere/Lovelace IS several GPU architecture generations beyond AMD GCN 2.0 from 2013. There's nothing you're going to post or anyone is going to post that will change that. 

Last edited by Soundwave - on 14 January 2026