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Was it the right decision?

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Chrkeller said:
Soundwave said:

Define several generations ahead? You really need that spelled out for you?

Ampere is comparable to AMD RDNA 2 (better than it actually) which is better than the hybrid RDNA 1/2 mix the PS5/XBox Series X have. 

The PS4 is a dated GCN 2.0 architecture from 2012/13 which is miles behind RDNA 2 and Ampere. 

The Switch being able to run next-gen games Star Wars Outlaws, Assassin's Creed Shadows already early in its product cycle without much fuss, and having PS5/XSS only titles like 007 First Light, Final Fantasy VII Rebirth, Indiana Jones, and Monster Hunter Wilds basically confirmed whereas the PS4 likely would not be able to run these games without serious retooling of the games is no surprise to me. I said this many times here and got attacked for saying so. 

I said years ago here the architecture fucking mattered, the actual Nvidia data leak was right there staring everyone in the face, 1536 CUDA cores with Ampere architecture and even some Lovelace features, but only a handful of people here seemed to grasp what that even meant. That was always going to be significantly better than a PS4 and be able to run games a PS4 can't and I said that many times and got grief for saying so. 

I even said that chip would likely be powerful enough that it would likely cause Japanese developers like Square-Enix to make their mainline big budget Final Fantasy games available on Switch 2 as well, and lookey lookey ... not only FF7 Remake Integrade but FF7 Rebirth AND their next big FF mainline release FF7 Remake Part III is indeed confirmed for Switch 2. 

I also said many times also this was not a budget hardware and would likely cost $400 only if you were lucky, likely $450 or more looking at the component leaks. 1536 CUDA cores, 12MB RAM, 256GB high speed internal storage, 8 inch display, this was not some rinky dinky bargain basement cheap hardware, but you had a lot of people here thinking $350 was in play (lol). Because I was looking at the actual leaks and the components therein, not basing thingson a stupid "dur hur Nintendo cannott make gud hardwarez this is will beeez just like da Wii You again when Ninty fans got too excitied" line of logic. 

Lol, your actual prediction was $500+, with $600 being in play.  The rest of us were around $400, and the S2 is $450...  pretty spot on.  

As for 1536 cuda cores, jesus man, that isn't high end.  That is below a 2050 which launched five years ago.  The 5050 is 2560 cuda cores.  Not a fair comparison because it is desktop versus mobile, but I am rocking over 16,000 cude cores.  I don't get why 1536, which is below mobile GPUs from 2020 is such a shock. 

and if you compare fps and resolution of cross gen games with the ps4 and switch 2...  pretty much exactly the same, with the ps4 pro beating out the S2.   

Edit

And don't get me wrong, DK Bananza is a fantastic game, but it is 1080p with fps issues.  The S2 wasn't the 4k machine you made it out to be, it just flatly isn't.  

The system is $500 ... so? Especially the model that virtually everyone is paying for 99% of people are spending $500 on Switch 2. I was right on that, I was right that it wasn't going to be cheap because there is some serious hardware under the hood, a budget device would be far less ambitious in the specs. There's a whole fucking avalanche of angry Youtube videos on the pricing of the system, so don't tell me that everyone and their grandma was expecting the price to be in that range, no they weren't. It was fairly obvious if you looked at the hardware being presented in the leaks and used common sense from there. 

1536 CUDA Ampere blows the shit out of a PS4. That also was obvious if you weren't blinded by bias. There's no surprise to me that it's getting PS5-only games with no fuss even early in the product cycle. 

I said it then too specs of that caliber would be a game changer especially for big Japanese developers, they would have to seriously look at putting all their big ticket console IP on the Switch like the next Final Fantasy and Resident Evil and yes I even said Monster Hunter Wilds. And what happened? Bang, bang, and bang, even when people said "no way is Square-Enix gonna hold back the Final Fantasy mainline games for Nintendo!". Final Fantasy VII Remake Part III already confirmed for Switch 2 ... boom just like that. Resident Evil 9 ... confirmed for Switch 2. Now we find out even MH Wilds is apparently coming.

The Christmas day leaker guy who put who slightly altered images of the system (to protect his ass) also deserves some damn props in hindsight. Virtually everything that guy/gal said turned out to be correct. 



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Soundwave said:
Chrkeller said:

Lol, your actual prediction was $500+, with $600 being in play.  The rest of us were around $400, and the S2 is $450...  pretty spot on.  

As for 1536 cuda cores, jesus man, that isn't high end.  That is below a 2050 which launched five years ago.  The 5050 is 2560 cuda cores.  Not a fair comparison because it is desktop versus mobile, but I am rocking over 16,000 cude cores.  I don't get why 1536, which is below mobile GPUs from 2020 is such a shock. 

and if you compare fps and resolution of cross gen games with the ps4 and switch 2...  pretty much exactly the same, with the ps4 pro beating out the S2.   

Edit

And don't get me wrong, DK Bananza is a fantastic game, but it is 1080p with fps issues.  The S2 wasn't the 4k machine you made it out to be, it just flatly isn't.  

The system is $500 ... so? Especially the model that virtually everyone is paying for 99% of people are spending $500 on Switch 2. I was right on that, I was right that it wasn't going to be cheap because there is some serious hardware under the hood, a budget device would be far less ambitious in the specs. 

1536 CUDA Ampere blows the shit out of a PS4. That also was obvious if you weren't blinded by bias. There's no surprise to me that it's getting PS5-only games with no fuss even early in the product cycle. 

I said it then too specs of that caliber would be a game changer especially for big Japanese developers, they would have to seriously look at putting all their big ticket console IP on the Switch like the next Final Fantasy and Resident Evil and yes I even said Monster Hunter Wilds. And what happened? Bang, bang, and bang, even when people said "no way is Square-Enix gonna hold back the Final Fantasy mainline games for Nintendo!". Final Fantasy VII Remake Part III already confirmed for Switch 2 ... boom just like that. Resident Evil 9 ... confirmed for Switch 2. Now we find out even MH Wilds is apparently coming.

The Christmas day leaker guy who put who slightly altered images of the system (to protect his ass) also deserves some damn props in hindsight. Virtually everything that guy/gal said turned out to be correct. 

Umm...  it is $450...  WTF?  The FACT you are lying about the price end this conversation on my side.  You aren't even trying to hide your crazy anymore.



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Chrkeller said:
Soundwave said:

The system is $500 ... so? Especially the model that virtually everyone is paying for 99% of people are spending $500 on Switch 2. I was right on that, I was right that it wasn't going to be cheap because there is some serious hardware under the hood, a budget device would be far less ambitious in the specs. 

1536 CUDA Ampere blows the shit out of a PS4. That also was obvious if you weren't blinded by bias. There's no surprise to me that it's getting PS5-only games with no fuss even early in the product cycle. 

I said it then too specs of that caliber would be a game changer especially for big Japanese developers, they would have to seriously look at putting all their big ticket console IP on the Switch like the next Final Fantasy and Resident Evil and yes I even said Monster Hunter Wilds. And what happened? Bang, bang, and bang, even when people said "no way is Square-Enix gonna hold back the Final Fantasy mainline games for Nintendo!". Final Fantasy VII Remake Part III already confirmed for Switch 2 ... boom just like that. Resident Evil 9 ... confirmed for Switch 2. Now we find out even MH Wilds is apparently coming.

The Christmas day leaker guy who put who slightly altered images of the system (to protect his ass) also deserves some damn props in hindsight. Virtually everything that guy/gal said turned out to be correct. 

Umm...  it is $450...  WTF?

The Mario Kart bundle which is like 95% of the Switch 2 inventory is $499.99 MSRP. Maybe you can find a discount here and there, but that's not the MSRP. The $450 model Nintendo makes in extremely low quantities because that's not the profit margin they want. 

The Christmas Day 2024 leaker got that correct too, he/she should be credited for that when a lot of people were giving him grief and saying Mario Kart couldn't be a launch title/pack-in (I said Mario Kart would be the ideal pick for a launch title that Nintendo would want also). 

A lot of the stupid things said essentially seem to boil down to "Nintendo hasn't done that in the past or at least in the recent past as I understand it so that can't possibly happen" ... which is a dumb way of looking at things. 

Last edited by Soundwave - on 13 January 2026

Soundwave said:
Chrkeller said:

Umm...  it is $450...  WTF?

The Mario Kart bundle which is like 95% of the Switch 2 inventory is $499.99 MSRP. Maybe you can find a discount here and there, but that's not the MSRP. The $450 model Nintendo makes in extremely low quantities because that's not the profit margin they want. 

The Christmas Day 2024 leaker got that correct too, he/she should be credited for that when a lot of people were giving him grief and saying Mario Kart couldn't be a launch title/pack-in (I said Mario Kart would be the ideal pick for a launch title that Nintendo would want also). 

A lot of the stupid things said essentially seem to boil down to "Nintendo hasn't done that in the past or at least in the recent past as I understand it so that can't possibly happen" ... which is a dumb way of looking at things. 

Mario Kart bundle was discontinued. I bought the $450 model tbh



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Soundwave said:
BraLoD said:

You are doing the very same thing you have been complaying in this thread about, saying PS4 can't run X or Y game, when it can, it's mostly a business decision, pretty much like the Switch 1 or 2 running games from machines more powerful than them.

The difference being that nobody would say the PS4 is running the PS5 game with ease, but with compromisses, exactly like the Switch 2 is running PS5 games, with compromisses, and exactly like the PS5 is running those games compared to high end PCs: with compromisses.

The only one getting mad about it is you, even while you are also doing it yourself.

If PS4's GCN 2.0 having no/little difference to modern architectures like Ampere (which is better than AMD's RDNA2) is the hill you want to die on, I'm really not going to waste my time arguing with you, you either understand the differences there or you don't. You can have that hill and die on it. I can see clearly the games the Switch 2 is already getting early in its product cycle and it's already many of the biggest profile PS5/XSS only next-gen games and it's no suprise to me at all, several of these games I even called coming onto the system to other people saying no way (the next mainline Final Fantasy? Yup. FF7R Part III Confirmed. FF7 Rebirth port? Yup. Confimed. Monster Hunter Wilds? Looks like it). 

The general discourse with Nintendo hardware for whatever reason just seems dumb in a lot of ways and it seems specific to Nintendo platforms, other consoles it's just they hear a rumor/report and then go "yeah ... maybe, I dunno". I'll even cite another specific example that probably many posters will remember ... the whole dumb debate over when Nintendo can/can't unveil the system unless it aligns almost exactly with the Switch 1 and other previous Nintendo system time line. 

Like even when people like I and I think maybe one other poster tried to explain Nintendo only announced the NX (Switch 1) a couple of years before launch because they had to reassure stockholders that they were still going to make physical hardware going forward while announcing they were making smartphone games (perfectly logical) ... explaining this felt like trying to explain the theory of gravity to a religious person. 

People were still like "no, no, Nintendo has to first announce the Switch successor officially and then it will release like 2 years later, revealing the system and just launching a few months later can't happen". And guess what happened? They revealed the system in January and launched a few months later. So much for having to do a product unveil 18-24 months prior. And even *that* they probably were aiming to reveal maybe in late Jan/Feb, they got likely forced into revealing early because all the leaks were basically all correct and Nintendo knew it. It just seems like this is specific or far more prevalent with Nintendo discussions for whatever bizarre reason. Logic goes out the window. 

The same thing over and over and over...

You do not read was is written and keep the same introspective fight with yourself over and over.

Nobody is saying the PS4 game is the same from PS5 or PC running with ease, but you are saying it is for Switch 2.

One part of the example is the PS4 can run the game, like the Switch 2 also can. But only one is being obnoxious about the compromisses.

Another part of the example is that you are livid about people saying X game couldn't run on Switch 2, but you are doing the exact same here regarding the PS4.

"If you can't recognize the difference between PS4 and whatever than you don't understand" meanwhile you are the only one doing it regarding Switch 2 versions of the game.

The question about defying your claim about "several generations" above from Switch 2 to the PS4 architecture is to point how you purposedly ignore very advanced games running on PS4 as a demonstration of how it can run modern games with compromisses, like the Switch 2, while you claim games are the best proof to show how the Switch 2 can do it, when talking about it.

So, when it's regarding the Switch 2, throw the numbers out and look at the games it is running, that all the proof you need to claim actually absurd things, but when the PS4 enters the conversation, that runs several crossgen and could keep running them if interest (=money) was there, now we have to bring architectures to show how far behind it is, now we look at the numbers!

You definitely don't want anything but complain that people once said something to you that you didn't like, not in this conversation even, but on top of that you want to be the one doing it yourself.

So you are mad you were not the one doing it to them instead, that's all this massive waste of time is about.



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Leynos said:
Soundwave said:

The Mario Kart bundle which is like 95% of the Switch 2 inventory is $499.99 MSRP. Maybe you can find a discount here and there, but that's not the MSRP. The $450 model Nintendo makes in extremely low quantities because that's not the profit margin they want. 

The Christmas Day 2024 leaker got that correct too, he/she should be credited for that when a lot of people were giving him grief and saying Mario Kart couldn't be a launch title/pack-in (I said Mario Kart would be the ideal pick for a launch title that Nintendo would want also). 

A lot of the stupid things said essentially seem to boil down to "Nintendo hasn't done that in the past or at least in the recent past as I understand it so that can't possibly happen" ... which is a dumb way of looking at things. 

Mario Kart bundle was discontinued. I bought the $450 model tbh

lol, I know right?  Jesus, now the man has resorted to flat out lying about clear facts.  



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BraLoD said:
Soundwave said:

If PS4's GCN 2.0 having no/little difference to modern architectures like Ampere (which is better than AMD's RDNA2) is the hill you want to die on, I'm really not going to waste my time arguing with you, you either understand the differences there or you don't. You can have that hill and die on it. I can see clearly the games the Switch 2 is already getting early in its product cycle and it's already many of the biggest profile PS5/XSS only next-gen games and it's no suprise to me at all, several of these games I even called coming onto the system to other people saying no way (the next mainline Final Fantasy? Yup. FF7R Part III Confirmed. FF7 Rebirth port? Yup. Confimed. Monster Hunter Wilds? Looks like it). 

The general discourse with Nintendo hardware for whatever reason just seems dumb in a lot of ways and it seems specific to Nintendo platforms, other consoles it's just they hear a rumor/report and then go "yeah ... maybe, I dunno". I'll even cite another specific example that probably many posters will remember ... the whole dumb debate over when Nintendo can/can't unveil the system unless it aligns almost exactly with the Switch 1 and other previous Nintendo system time line. 

Like even when people like I and I think maybe one other poster tried to explain Nintendo only announced the NX (Switch 1) a couple of years before launch because they had to reassure stockholders that they were still going to make physical hardware going forward while announcing they were making smartphone games (perfectly logical) ... explaining this felt like trying to explain the theory of gravity to a religious person. 

People were still like "no, no, Nintendo has to first announce the Switch successor officially and then it will release like 2 years later, revealing the system and just launching a few months later can't happen". And guess what happened? They revealed the system in January and launched a few months later. So much for having to do a product unveil 18-24 months prior. And even *that* they probably were aiming to reveal maybe in late Jan/Feb, they got likely forced into revealing early because all the leaks were basically all correct and Nintendo knew it. It just seems like this is specific or far more prevalent with Nintendo discussions for whatever bizarre reason. Logic goes out the window. 

The same thing over and over and over...

You do not read was is written and keep the same introspective fight with yourself over and over.

Nobody is saying the PS4 game is the same from PS5 or PC running with ease, but you are saying it is for Switch 2.

One part of the example is the PS4 can run the game, like the Switch 2 also can. But only one is being obnoxious about the compromisses.

Another part of the example is that you are livid about people saying X game couldn't run on Switch 2, but you are doing the exact same here regarding the PS4.

"If you can't recognize the difference between PS4 and whatever than you don't understand" meanwhile you are the only one doing it regarding Switch 2 versions of the game.

The question about defying your claim about "several generations" above from Switch 2 to the PS4 architecture is to point how you purposedly ignore very advanced games running on PS4 as a demonstration of how it can run modern games with compromisses, like the Switch 2, while you claim games are the best proof to show how the Switch 2 can do it, when talking about it.

So, when it's regarding the Switch 2, throw the numbers out and look at the games it is running, that all the proof you need to claim actually absurd things, but when the PS4 enters the conversation, that runs several crossgen and could keep running them if interest (=money) was there, now we have to bring architectures to show how far behind it is, now we look at the numbers!

You definitely don't want anything but complain that people once said something to you that you didn't like, not in this conversation even, but on top of that you want to be the one doing it yourself.

So you are mad you were not the one doing it to them instead, that's all this massive waste of time is about.

Ampere is literal GPU generations (G PEEE YOU generation, not console generation, G PEEE YOU generations, I'll print it that way so you can see the distinction) ahead of AMD GCN 2.0 which is what the PS4 is. That is significant and no that is not arguable or an opinion. It's literally several GPU generations ahead of what GCN 2.0 (what is in a PS4) is. Or maybe in easier to understand terms for you GCN 2.0 is a GPU architecture from 2013, Ampere is from 2020, that's a 7 year difference. That's kind of a long time in graphics technology terms. The T239 in the Switch 2 even has some functionality and probably some design features from Lovelace as well which the successor to Ampere. 

If you cannot understand that or how that is significant, it's not my responsibility to explain it to you. 

Last edited by Soundwave - on 13 January 2026

Leynos said:
Soundwave said:

The Mario Kart bundle which is like 95% of the Switch 2 inventory is $499.99 MSRP. Maybe you can find a discount here and there, but that's not the MSRP. The $450 model Nintendo makes in extremely low quantities because that's not the profit margin they want. 

The Christmas Day 2024 leaker got that correct too, he/she should be credited for that when a lot of people were giving him grief and saying Mario Kart couldn't be a launch title/pack-in (I said Mario Kart would be the ideal pick for a launch title that Nintendo would want also). 

A lot of the stupid things said essentially seem to boil down to "Nintendo hasn't done that in the past or at least in the recent past as I understand it so that can't possibly happen" ... which is a dumb way of looking at things. 

Mario Kart bundle was discontinued. I bought the $450 model tbh

Just very recently. The $500 Mario Kart bundle is the one Nintendo was shipping like 95% of their units up until now (several months after launch). I know that literally because I have a friend who is a Gamestop manager and he showed me their allotment of systems state wide, it was virtually all the Mario Kart bundle, the $450 model was in extremely limited quantities. The plan was likely to bump the price UP to $500 standard with no game after Christmas, but because sales in the holiday period may have been a little softer than expected due to a bad economy, they probably had second thoughts about doing that. 

As I've said, anyone who is budget conscious should probably buy at $450 if they can get it at that price, Nintendo clearly wants the $500 price point to be the standard and have several valid reasons (tariffs, RAM inflation) to raise the price. Don't assume that price is going to last and then come here afterwards bitching about how Nintendo screwed you, there is a lot of smoke that the price could get raised. The $500 bundle with Mario Kart will likely return again in the fall like Nintendo tends to do. 



Soundwave said:
BraLoD said:

The same thing over and over and over...

You do not read was is written and keep the same introspective fight with yourself over and over.

Nobody is saying the PS4 game is the same from PS5 or PC running with ease, but you are saying it is for Switch 2.

One part of the example is the PS4 can run the game, like the Switch 2 also can. But only one is being obnoxious about the compromisses.

Another part of the example is that you are livid about people saying X game couldn't run on Switch 2, but you are doing the exact same here regarding the PS4.

"If you can't recognize the difference between PS4 and whatever than you don't understand" meanwhile you are the only one doing it regarding Switch 2 versions of the game.

The question about defying your claim about "several generations" above from Switch 2 to the PS4 architecture is to point how you purposedly ignore very advanced games running on PS4 as a demonstration of how it can run modern games with compromisses, like the Switch 2, while you claim games are the best proof to show how the Switch 2 can do it, when talking about it.

So, when it's regarding the Switch 2, throw the numbers out and look at the games it is running, that all the proof you need to claim actually absurd things, but when the PS4 enters the conversation, that runs several crossgen and could keep running them if interest (=money) was there, now we have to bring architectures to show how far behind it is, now we look at the numbers!

You definitely don't want anything but complain that people once said something to you that you didn't like, not in this conversation even, but on top of that you want to be the one doing it yourself.

So you are mad you were not the one doing it to them instead, that's all this massive waste of time is about.

Ampere is literal GPU generations (G PEEE YOU generation, not console generation, G PEEE YOU generations, I'll print it that way so you can see the distinction) ahead of AMD GCN 2.0 which is what the PS4 is. That is significant and no that is not arguable or an opinion. It's literally several GPU generations ahead of what GCN 2.0 (what is in a PS4) is. Or maybe in easier to understand terms for you GCN 2.0 is a GPU architecture from 2013, Ampere is from 2020, that's a 7 year difference. That's kind of a long time in graphics technology terms. The T239 in the Switch 2 even has some functionality and probably some design features from Lovelace as well which the successor to Ampere. 

If you cannot understand that or how that is significant, it's not my responsibility to explain it to you. 

Congratulations, it's so far the most pathetic post I've read here this year. Keep up the good work!

Now cycle your post another 20 times.



I still can't believe we are arguing price when the S2 is clearly $450. Talk about not owning being wrong, lol.



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