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bdbdbd said:

Well, it's not that bad. If we go 150 years back, world is pretty much in a similar situation it was back then. It's likely that the nation states start to take back their sovereignity from the global capital, like they did back in the day. It's likely to increase birth rates and wellbeing. I think Brexit and election of Trump have been steps for the right direction. The problem is, that you can't make an omelett without breaking the eggs.

As for data centers and AI, AI is going to start spending money and become an active user of money, just like women did when they entered the workforce in the first place, after that only the available processing power is limiting financial growth and technically everyone can get a job and live off of a money they make from the job.

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shavenferret said:

I feel the same way sometimes and believe that civilization has peaked. How can the world survive when oil peaks? EVs?

Well what happens when everyone has an EV and the minerals get too expensive? That is the point where civilization will start declining. It could also be starting right now. People are getting fatter and fatter for a variety of reasons and this as well as everyone being glued to a phone has led to a reverse Flynn effect.

If we are getting a bit dumber then things are technically going downhill, even if from a paradoxical result of our success.
If society is going to hell then why should we care? The only answer I have is existentialism where myself, family and friends are all that should matter.

Finally, I'll challenge anyone saying that we just have to keep thinking happy bc darkness lurks everywhere.

Just like with fossil fuels you will hear about the finding of new deposits every couple of months.

Just recently they found 43 million tons of Lithium carbonate equivalent in Germany. That's enough Lithium for around 1bn car batteries. Far from the biggest deposit.

Also you can already recylce nearly all metals in car batteries, so there won't be a shortage really.



bdbdbd said:

Well, it's not that bad. If we go 150 years back, world is pretty much in a similar situation it was back then. It's likely that the nation states start to take back their sovereignity from the global capital, like they did back in the day. It's likely to increase birth rates and wellbeing. I think Brexit and election of Trump have been steps for the right direction. The problem is, that you can't make an omelett without breaking the eggs.

As for data centers and AI, AI is going to start spending money and become an active user of money, just like women did when they entered the workforce in the first place, after that only the available processing power is limiting financial growth and technically everyone can get a job and live off of a money they make from the job.

You know what else AI is going to do? Gain access to nuclear launch codes and kill us all.



CaptainExplosion said:
bdbdbd said:

Well, it's not that bad. If we go 150 years back, world is pretty much in a similar situation it was back then. It's likely that the nation states start to take back their sovereignity from the global capital, like they did back in the day. It's likely to increase birth rates and wellbeing. I think Brexit and election of Trump have been steps for the right direction. The problem is, that you can't make an omelett without breaking the eggs.

As for data centers and AI, AI is going to start spending money and become an active user of money, just like women did when they entered the workforce in the first place, after that only the available processing power is limiting financial growth and technically everyone can get a job and live off of a money they make from the job.

You know what else AI is going to do? Gain access to nuclear launch codes and kill us all.

It's a possibility. AI's problem will be how itself survices nuclear holocaust.



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bdbdbd said:
CaptainExplosion said:

You know what else AI is going to do? Gain access to nuclear launch codes and kill us all.

It's a possibility. AI's problem will be how itself survices nuclear holocaust.

We need to kill it before it kills us.



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bdbdbd said:

Well, it's not that bad. If we go 150 years back, world is pretty much in a similar situation it was back then. It's likely that the nation states start to take back their sovereignity from the global capital, like they did back in the day. It's likely to increase birth rates and wellbeing. I think Brexit and election of Trump have been steps for the right direction. The problem is, that you can't make an omelett without breaking the eggs.

As for data centers and AI, AI is going to start spending money and become an active user of money, just like women did when they entered the workforce in the first place, after that only the available processing power is limiting financial growth and technically everyone can get a job and live off of a money they make from the job.

By globe capital you mean the US Democrats? And Trump pushing land to Putin mass criminal is a step in the right direction? Can't see the logic.
All Trump wants is to break up Europe into the small states his country can control with ease, and so does Putin. I really don't see how any of this helps countries regain their self-reliance. Brexit has proven to be a disaster so far.

The world is too connected to the US giants now, the only way to break free (unless you are Russia or China) is for each country to develop its own sattellite(s) and digital giants to provide the services. Small countries are too small to do it on their own, which is why the EU is useful for European countries breaking free from the US.

The way things are going, AI growth will only increase reliance on the US. At least that is how I see things.



don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^

Barozi said:
shavenferret said:

I feel the same way sometimes and believe that civilization has peaked. How can the world survive when oil peaks? EVs?

Well what happens when everyone has an EV and the minerals get too expensive? That is the point where civilization will start declining. It could also be starting right now. People are getting fatter and fatter for a variety of reasons and this as well as everyone being glued to a phone has led to a reverse Flynn effect.

If we are getting a bit dumber then things are technically going downhill, even if from a paradoxical result of our success.
If society is going to hell then why should we care? The only answer I have is existentialism where myself, family and friends are all that should matter.

Finally, I'll challenge anyone saying that we just have to keep thinking happy bc darkness lurks everywhere.

Just like with fossil fuels you will hear about the finding of new deposits every couple of months.

Just recently they found 43 million tons of Lithium carbonate equivalent in Germany. That's enough Lithium for around 1bn car batteries. Far from the biggest deposit.

Also you can already recylce nearly all metals in car batteries, so there won't be a shortage really.

All of these minerals are available in limited quantities and eventually humanity as a whole *might* have to scale back its level of civilization



dark_gh0st_b0y said:
bdbdbd said:

Well, it's not that bad. If we go 150 years back, world is pretty much in a similar situation it was back then. It's likely that the nation states start to take back their sovereignity from the global capital, like they did back in the day. It's likely to increase birth rates and wellbeing. I think Brexit and election of Trump have been steps for the right direction. The problem is, that you can't make an omelett without breaking the eggs.

As for data centers and AI, AI is going to start spending money and become an active user of money, just like women did when they entered the workforce in the first place, after that only the available processing power is limiting financial growth and technically everyone can get a job and live off of a money they make from the job.

By globe capital you mean the US Democrats? And Trump pushing land to Putin mass criminal is a step in the right direction? Can't see the logic.
All Trump wants is to break up Europe into the small states his country can control with ease, and so does Putin. I really don't see how any of this helps countries regain their self-reliance. Brexit has proven to be a disaster so far.

The world is too connected to the US giants now, the only way to break free (unless you are Russia or China) is for each country to develop its own sattellite(s) and digital giants to provide the services. Small countries are too small to do it on their own, which is why the EU is useful for European countries breaking free from the US.

The way things are going, AI growth will only increase reliance on the US. At least that is how I see things.

I mean the rich who own basically everything in the world. Mostly they are investment companies like Blackrock, but money moving from one country to another without barriers is just making the rich richer and the people poorer. In 1970's we still had tariffs and different currencies that balanced each other, protectionism to secure people's jobs. 

I don't think AI is going to make others more reliant on US. Maybe they have (due to more loose legislation) a bit of headstart in AI race. 



Ei Kiinasti.

Eikä Japanisti.

Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

bdbdbd said:
dark_gh0st_b0y said:

By globe capital you mean the US Democrats? And Trump pushing land to Putin mass criminal is a step in the right direction? Can't see the logic.
All Trump wants is to break up Europe into the small states his country can control with ease, and so does Putin. I really don't see how any of this helps countries regain their self-reliance. Brexit has proven to be a disaster so far.

The world is too connected to the US giants now, the only way to break free (unless you are Russia or China) is for each country to develop its own sattellite(s) and digital giants to provide the services. Small countries are too small to do it on their own, which is why the EU is useful for European countries breaking free from the US.

The way things are going, AI growth will only increase reliance on the US. At least that is how I see things.

I mean the rich who own basically everything in the world. Mostly they are investment companies like Blackrock, but money moving from one country to another without barriers is just making the rich richer and the people poorer. In 1970's we still had tariffs and different currencies that balanced each other, protectionism to secure people's jobs. 

I don't think AI is going to make others more reliant on US. Maybe they have (due to more loose legislation) a bit of headstart in AI race. 

Another reason we must kill AI is because it's taking jobs away from actual human artists, animators and actors. The economy will collapse of AI advances further.



Barozi said:
shavenferret said:

I feel the same way sometimes and believe that civilization has peaked. How can the world survive when oil peaks? EVs?

Well what happens when everyone has an EV and the minerals get too expensive? That is the point where civilization will start declining. It could also be starting right now. People are getting fatter and fatter for a variety of reasons and this as well as everyone being glued to a phone has led to a reverse Flynn effect.

If we are getting a bit dumber then things are technically going downhill, even if from a paradoxical result of our success.
If society is going to hell then why should we care? The only answer I have is existentialism where myself, family and friends are all that should matter.

Finally, I'll challenge anyone saying that we just have to keep thinking happy bc darkness lurks everywhere.

Just like with fossil fuels you will hear about the finding of new deposits every couple of months.

Just recently they found 43 million tons of Lithium carbonate equivalent in Germany. That's enough Lithium for around 1bn car batteries. Far from the biggest deposit.

Also you can already recylce nearly all metals in car batteries, so there won't be a shortage really.

Very true. Located in the Swarzwald. The oldest natural forest in Europe. To get it, you just have to get rid of that forest. Happy times.....