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SvennoJ said:

Where Wii U failed was in convincing parents to buy the system for their kids. It smelled like an extension of the Wii, not a new system. Parents were more inclined to by their kids a 3ds/2ds.

It failed to attract anyone, really. Nintendo positioned the Wii U early on as a jack of all trades, a console for the casual and the hardcore public.

Casuals moved on from the Wii, and had smartphones, or straight up didn't know the Wii U existed or what it was.

The hardcore crowd didn't want to upgrade from their PS360s because why would they? The Wii U hardware was barely an improvement over these two. Later on they just moved onto the PS4/XB1.

And yeah, the 3DS was a much cheaper option with a similar library of first party titles. A much easier buy for parents. 



 

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The wii u sucked tbh. Dual screens only work when you can see both screens at the same time like in the ds and 3ds.



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TheRealSamusAran said:
curl-6 said:

That is exactly what happened though; Mario Kart 8 was a great game trapped on a console nobody wanted. It was like selling a delicious meal in a restaurant that's filthy and crawling with cockroaches in a shitty part of town, it doesn't mean people don't like the meal, they're just put off by the surrounding factors.

The alternative theory is that over 50 million people all magically changed their minds about Nintendo games overnight for no reason; this simply doesn't hold up to a moment of logical scrutiny.

If it was the audience's attitude that changed, then the change would have happened gradually over time. Instead it changed instantly, and the the fact this sudden change happened exactly when a desirable new Nintendo console came out shows that it was the Switch that caused the change.

You're all forgetting that the problem with the Wii U wasn't the games or the system, it was the marketing. If we asked the common folk what the Wii U was even as late as in 2017, they would have said it was a controller for the Wii, because the marketing was that bad. Really a shame, because the console was fantastic.

I would argue the console itself had a ton of problems beyond the marketing; brutal game droughts, an unappealing central gimmick, lack of third party support, etc. The marketing was definitely terrible, but it wasn't the system's only issue. 

I owned a Wii U myself and it was pretty miserable a lot of the time with only like 4-5 worthwhile games coming out per year with months of nothing in between.



SAguy said:

The wii u sucked tbh. Dual screens only work when you can see both screens at the same time like in the ds and 3ds.

Asymmetrical multiplayer had a lot of potential though 



 

 

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Pemalite said:

What home console features?

I never mentioned split screen.

And whilst prior home fixed consoles had split screen gaming, you couldn't exactly do it at a park bench on a random table.

Again, I have empirically provided evidence that what for-profit companies state is not always truthful.

Companies put profits first.

Bold: I am more than happy to have this discussion with you provided you read through my responses carefully and don't try to undermine my arguments using fallacious tactics. Can you and I both agree, together, to be reasonable in this discussion and try to understand the other persons point? 



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pikashoe said:

There are games specifically designed to be played on a tv that are not playable in handheld. Which is game over for all of your arguments.

Which Switch 1 games aren't playable on a Switch 1 lite (definitely a handheld) if you just connect a pair of JoyCons to it?

pikashoe said:

Generally large open world games are made for home consoles not handhelds. Both of these games show nintendos focus on the hybrid nature of the console being great for both long and short play sessions. 

The PlayStation Portable also had a few large open world games, f. e. Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories + Vice City Stories and other large games like God of War: Chains of Olympus + Ghost of Sparta... didn't make the PSP a hybrid.

The PS Vita also had a few large open world games, f. e. Assassin's Creed Liberation + Uncharted: Golden Abyss... didn't make the PSP a hybrid.

All PC handhelds have no problem to play hundreds of large open world games... doesn't make Steam Deck & Co. hybrids.



Conina said:
pikashoe said:

There are games specifically designed to be played on a tv that are not playable in handheld. Which is game over for all of your arguments.

Which Switch 1 games aren't playable on a Switch 1 lite (definitely a handheld) if you just connect a pair of JoyCons to it?

Ring Fit Adventure, Nintendo Labo, and Nintendo Switch Sports are all sequels to Wii/WiiU games because looking at a 5 inch screen from 5 ft away is hardly an experience. I agree open world games are preferably played on TVs but are hardly unplayable in handheld mode. 



One thing I’ll say for certain: Nintendo brings out the hate in people like no other console manufacturer. It’s fricking insane that they managed to weather several storms of being the most ridiculed, despised company in the schoolyard many times over.

Stay true to yourself, kids. They may not understand you now, but give it time and the pendulum will swing back. Just keep working hard so you’re ready when it does.



Conina said:
pikashoe said:

There are games specifically designed to be played on a tv that are not playable in handheld. Which is game over for all of your arguments.

Which Switch 1 games aren't playable on a Switch 1 lite (definitely a handheld) if you just connect a pair of JoyCons to it?

pikashoe said:

Generally large open world games are made for home consoles not handhelds. Both of these games show nintendos focus on the hybrid nature of the console being great for both long and short play sessions. 

The PlayStation Portable also had a few large open world games, f. e. Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories + Vice City Stories and other large games like God of War: Chains of Olympus + Ghost of Sparta... didn't make the PSP a hybrid.

The PS Vita also had a few large open world games, f. e. Assassin's Creed Liberation + Uncharted: Golden Abyss... didn't make the PSP a hybrid.

All PC handhelds have no problem to play hundreds of large open world games... doesn't make Steam Deck & Co. hybrids.

Someone else replied to the first part already. As for the 2nd part. You seem to be putting words in my mouth. I never said that open world games arent made for handhelds but that generally they are more often associated with home consoles. Not sure what God of war has to do with this, definitely is not an open world game. 

The playstation portable consoles were generally going for home console gaming on the go type of idea, which would have some overlap with switch's union of home and handheld consoles. 

The games on the console don't dictate whether or not the console is a hybrid, portable or home console. But they can show the way that console wants to be perceived. The switch has a mixture of games that focus on different aspects of the console, some games are better portable, some are better at home. 

Also the pc handhelds are kind of there own thing. They are very niche and very powerful devices, that aren't held back by the usual constraints of handheld consoles.

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super_etecoon said:

One thing I’ll say for certain: Nintendo brings out the hate in people like no other console manufacturer. It’s fricking insane that they managed to weather several storms of being the most ridiculed, despised company in the schoolyard many times over.

Stay true to yourself, kids. They may not understand you now, but give it time and the pendulum will swing back. Just keep working hard so you’re ready when it does.

Yeah it's genuinely weird and kinda unhinged how much hate they get.

Seems to be a combination of the usual hate that immature folks have for anything they perceive as "kiddy", fanboys of opposing brands wanting them to fail, and nowadays the grifter/ragebait economy targeting them cos it gets clicks and therefore ad revenue. 

There's definitely things worth criticising about Nintendo, but the number of people who make hating on their whole personality is just weird.