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angrypoolman said:
CosmicSex said:

You totally ignored everything i said and then tried to substitute with your own contrived bullshit.  Respond to what I said.  Like I responded to what you said.  

And you know why people do what you just did?  They do it because they dont want to or cant acknowledge a point so you completely make up a response to something I never said and now im supposed to respond like 'oh of course killing is bad'...  screw that.   You either show me enough respect to respond to what I said or sit down.  

No one is falling for that.  You're moral high ground is a fraud.   You're ALL CAPS response is childish.  Accept the fact that Kirk was a bigot.  Does that make murder right?  Where did I say murder was right?

Show me.  I said he was a hateful bigot.  I posted above that murder can be wrong and so can Kirk at the same time.

So... back to you.  Why cant you see that people may save rightfully disliked him and why can't you seè that political violence is not left or right.  Its the current state of affairs.

your posts speak for themselves. we can all see what you wrote. sure, you won't "celebrate" it yourself, but you'll provide a list of excuses why other people might celebrate it that might make it permissible. but you're definitely not, just these other people who might be doing it, here is why and also its understandable.

ill echo his sentiment, its just crazy that we feel the need to say that this is not ok. if you look through this thread, there are at least 5 or 6 other users who have said something similar. maybe take that, reflect on it, look in the mirror, and try to become a better person once its all said and done. I dont really know what else to say at this point. 

Wow.

I never once said murder was okay.

I never said it was okay to celebrate murder.

I said that it is understandable why people didn't like him and I also said that political violence is not a left or right thing.

You are trying so hard to misrepresent what I said.  Why are you doing that.  Is it because I said people didn't like him because he was a fascist and a bigot?

How is me saying that equal to me saying murder is okay?  



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CosmicSex said:
angrypoolman said:

your posts speak for themselves. we can all see what you wrote. sure, you won't "celebrate" it yourself, but you'll provide a list of excuses why other people might celebrate it that might make it permissible. but you're definitely not, just these other people who might be doing it, here is why and also its understandable.

ill echo his sentiment, its just crazy that we feel the need to say that this is not ok. if you look through this thread, there are at least 5 or 6 other users who have said something similar. maybe take that, reflect on it, look in the mirror, and try to become a better person once its all said and done. I dont really know what else to say at this point. 

Wow.

I never once said murder was okay.

I never said it was okay to celebrate murder.

I said that it is understandable why people didn't like him and I also said that political violence is not a left or right thing.

You are trying so hard to misrepresent what I said.  Why are you doing that.  Is it because I said people didn't like him because he was a fascist and a bigot?

How is me saying that equal to me saying murder is okay?  

I saw few his videos to just see what you talking about and i didnt found a single thing that he said that i didnt heard before, from both left and right. You just projecting him as "bigot" and "fascist" because you dont agree with him.

Just come out and say, i am on the left side and i am great human being, you people on the right are evil bigots, at least then you will be sincere.

And before saying anything, i am not from US, i have been there for some time and i saw a lot of thing from all kind of people to never want to even come close to US ever again. So i am not republican or democrat. 



CosmicSex said:
angrypoolman said:

your posts speak for themselves. we can all see what you wrote. sure, you won't "celebrate" it yourself, but you'll provide a list of excuses why other people might celebrate it that might make it permissible. but you're definitely not, just these other people who might be doing it, here is why and also its understandable.

ill echo his sentiment, its just crazy that we feel the need to say that this is not ok. if you look through this thread, there are at least 5 or 6 other users who have said something similar. maybe take that, reflect on it, look in the mirror, and try to become a better person once its all said and done. I dont really know what else to say at this point. 

Wow.

I never once said murder was okay.

I never said it was okay to celebrate murder.

I said that it is understandable why people didn't like him and I also said that political violence is not a left or right thing.

You are trying so hard to misrepresent what I said.  Why are you doing that.  Is it because I said people didn't like him because he was a fascist and a bigot?

How is me saying that equal to me saying murder is okay?  

I never said you said murder was ok. you clearly have a set of lines you wont cross. but I can read between the lines and can see that you are preemptively providing cover for someone who might be a little more loose with their lines on the basis that he is a fascist and a bigot. 

let me just ask you straight then. are people justified in celebrating this, posting videos of themselves dancing, and posting memes of his body hunched over? 



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Cobretti2 said:
curl-6 said:

This woman is a professor at University of Toronto:

The fact this is someone who is supposed to be educating young people is downright disturbing.

Should be fired for that kind of statement in a position of education.

If at work I had a go at something I don't agree with in such a manner as that post I would be dismissed without a second thought. 

100%.  Would have been fired if celebrating a murder on the other side.  Double standard, as usual.  



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ST.Tachyon said:
CosmicSex said:

Wow.

I never once said murder was okay.

I never said it was okay to celebrate murder.

I said that it is understandable why people didn't like him and I also said that political violence is not a left or right thing.

You are trying so hard to misrepresent what I said.  Why are you doing that.  Is it because I said people didn't like him because he was a fascist and a bigot?

How is me saying that equal to me saying murder is okay?  

I saw few his videos to just see what you talking about and i didnt found a single thing that he said that i didnt heard before, from both left and right. You just projecting him as "bigot" and "fascist" because you dont agree with him.

Just come out and say, i am on the left side and i am great human being, you people on the right are evil bigots, at least then you will be sincere.

And before saying anything, i am not from US, i have been there for some time and i saw a lot of thing from all kind of people to never want to even come close to US ever again. So i am not republican or democrat. 

in all honesty, many of the things he says are not out of the ordinary for what the average conservative american thinks. many of his views are not that shocking. and when it comes to conservative political pundits, he can even be described as "milk toast." in that sense, if theyre happy he is dead, then it can stand to reason that theyd be happy to see half of america dead, which has been disconcerting to many who have connected these dots. im not necessarily saying thats the case, but you can see the logic there and after what ive seen, i  am more and more starting to believe it myself. scary stuff.



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ST.Tachyon said:
CosmicSex said:

Wow.

I never once said murder was okay.

I never said it was okay to celebrate murder.

I said that it is understandable why people didn't like him and I also said that political violence is not a left or right thing.

You are trying so hard to misrepresent what I said.  Why are you doing that.  Is it because I said people didn't like him because he was a fascist and a bigot?

How is me saying that equal to me saying murder is okay?  

I saw few his videos to just see what you talking about and i didnt found a single thing that he said that i didnt heard before, from both left and right. You just projecting him as "bigot" and "fascist" because you dont agree with him.

Just come out and say, i am on the left side and i am great human being, you people on the right are evil bigots, at least then you will be sincere.

And before saying anything, i am not from US, i have been there for some time and i saw a lot of thing from all kind of people to never want to even come close to US ever again. So i am not republican or democrat. 

Okay so I dont know what you have against America but it is well know that Kirk has been grifting and platforming white supremacists, fascist ideology and extremists for quite some time...

Also, since you aren't American,  you may not know this but your 'left' is good and 'right' is evil crap is simplistic reductive nonsense.   And if you really think we are all that simple maybe its best that you, as you stated, never come back.  

We are not our cable networks.



Guy might not deserve to me murdered for his opinions, and in fact political violence is a disease. People should not look for justice with their own hands, and only use force for self protection

However, his opinions were dangerous enough for me to not mourn him or feel bad for him. I'm not american so I lack strong negative opinions about him. But seem some of his speeches he was a guy who push for some really bad and inflammatory discourse, specially for people like me



This thread is filth. People's opinions don't deserve death, you can say people's actions deserve death if they hurt others but my God, people who say they are the most moral and say it most often have the least good in them, shown time and again. I bet you could graph heartlessness with expression of virtuousness over time. 

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Tober said:

We don't know the motivation of the killer. Perhaps Kirk slept with someone's wife and it was an act of revenge. But it is likely it was a political assassination which would make it even worse, because that transcends to punishment for thinking differently.

The backbone of a democracy is the free market of ideas and opinions. That is what free speech is all about. It's a market where different messages compete, it is a market where the most popular idea and/or the best messaging wins. And that is how it should be. People choose what message to follow, it should not be dictated to them.

If you did not agree with Kirk's messaging, or any one else's for that matter, then engage with them on that market place. If you think you cannot win, then either the messaging, the message or both are not strong enough. Resorting to a bullet just shows that. That is true no matter on what political isle one is sitting.

A "perfect democracy" with absolute free speech as a system is flawed in a sense people can collectively advertise an idea for the extinction of the democracy. Remember nazist party ascended through popular vote

What is the majority vote against free speech itself? Or to criminalize minority opinion i.e. extinction of opposition. Those cases might not be the extinction of a democracy as a system as people will still have the right to vote and decide, but it effectively leads to at least flawed system or, at worst, a single-party dictatorship in disguise 

TLDR: Free speech and democracy as you suggest are a fantasy, a romantic view about politics not grounded in reality 



LegitHyperbole said:

This thread is filth. People's opinions don't deserve death, you can say people's actions deserve death if they hurt others but my God, people who say they are the most moral say is most often have the least good in them, shown time and again. I bet you could graph heartlessness with expression of virtuousness over time. 

well said



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