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I’m fully against any “popularity” system (especially one which empowers users who “support” the site via payment). Upvotes, downvotes, and agree: I think they should all be gone. When such a system is in place, users have an intrinsic motivation to speak empty-yet-popular remarks. It also scares aware users from speaking if they have a diverging opinion. Why encourage people to place value in the judgment of others? 



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Alex_The_Hedgehog said:

I would say keep the agree and upvote system and get rid of the downvote system.

This.

Not just here but in general I think it negatively impacts people from posting or discourage them into getting into a conversation.



NyanNyanNekoChan said:
Ryuu96 said:

This is still a thing? This should be removed, the major reason we hid heavily downvoted comments was because this system was implemented when VGChartz was being hammered by spambots so mass downvotes was a way for users to hide the spambots until a Mod dealt with it. This isn't really an issue anymore so I see no reason why we need to keep hiding comments, in a way you could say one of the reasons we even had downvotes in the first place was because of spambots.

Yeah, it's a thing. More than 10 downvotes on an article comment and then you have to click the little "+" to view it. (See screenshot example below)

And people with gold supporter status giving a vote counts for 3 or 4, so only 3 or 4 people doing it can already hide posts



BraLoD said:
NyanNyanNekoChan said:

Yeah, it's a thing. More than 10 downvotes on an article comment and then you have to click the little "+" to view it. (See screenshot example below)

And people with gold supporter status giving a vote counts for 3 or 4, so only 3 or 4 people doing it can already hide posts

Isn’t it 5 for Gold? I have Bronze, so I get 2, and I know Silver gets 3. It’s a very unfair system tbh. A Gold support literally has the power to almost unanimously determine what is the “popular” opinion in any given article. I only pay b/c I don’t want ads.



firebush03 said:
BraLoD said:

And people with gold supporter status giving a vote counts for 3 or 4, so only 3 or 4 people doing it can already hide posts

Isn’t it 5 for Gold? I have Bronze, so I get 2, and I know Silver gets 3. It’s a very unfair system tbh. I only pay b/c I don’t want ads.

I remember gold gave more, so at last 4 based on what you say. I remember when the system first rolled in but I'm not sure the exact weight each tier have.

Anyway, hiding posts and voting weight are the only 100% bad aspects, everything else, even the downvotes itself, are up to debate.

Don't really care tbh, but the forum agree system is at least good as sometimes instead of just typing the same thing or a "yes", I can just agree and let it be. Sometimes I want to agree and also post it about it myself too to register it, but many times it does save time to just agree with it.



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https://www.vgchartz.com/supporters.php

Gold is 4x voting power, silver is 3x voting power, and bronze is 2x voting power. I remember at one point it was 5 downvotes for a comment to be hidden, but we increased it to 10 downvotes. I'd be fine with no longer hiding comments.

I'd also be fine with getting rid of the downvotes, but keep the ability to upvote comments. Or maybe have the ability to still downvote, but that doesn't affect the overall "upvote" count. Or keep the separate like how on YouTube you used to see the number of likes and dislikes.

The big thing about becoming a supporter is that all the money goes to the writing, sales, and development team. 



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Downvotes are terrible. People use them to signify disagreement, in addition to poor comment quality, but the site treats them only as a signal of poor quality. I don't mind upvotes though.

I kind of consider forum agrees as upvotes too, but I'm not sure. I tend to try to use the feature for what it's supposed to, i.e. agreeing, but sometimes I do end up using it to kind of 'upvote' stuff too - but I guess usually there isn't much difference between the two.



I miss the old upvote/downvote system that Ars Technica had. That one was truly special, as you needed to specify WHY the upvote or downvote as.

Upvote for instance had "agree", "adds to story", "interesting"
Downvote had things like "disagree", "off-topic", doesn't contribute", "spamming"

Both had other categories, but those are the only ones I remember right now. Suffice to say that if there would also come some forum downvotes, it would be great to implement it in a similar system.



Ryuu96 said:

My issue with forum agrees is a lot lighter, I can take it or leave it but I find myself lately questioning whether they too hurt discussion, I know the main counterargument would be that it discourages low-effort "Agreed" posts but I start to wonder if it discourages responses entirely, especially when VGChartz is as low activity as it is now.

Are we not presenting people with the option of either thinking up a reply or simply slapping an "agree" on a comment and moving on? Because if I'm going to be honest, I've done the latter quite a bit, Lol. There have been times where I could easily write up a reply but out of laziness just slapped an Agree on a comment and moved on and I seriously doubt I'm the only one if we're being honest with ourselves, Lol.

I do appreciate every single one of my agrees, and I get that people want to show their support, but I have my doubts about if it helps or harms thread discussion and it is something I'm conflicted on. I was thinking a possible solution could be to change "Agree" into something more meaningful that actually has to have thought put into clicking it, something more along the lines of "This comment is my favourite/I love this comment" over something as light as "Agree" and I think that would change my mindset about how it's used.

Are we changing our behaviour, as a result of these systems, into "I'll just agree with this" instead of thinking of a written response.

It's possible someone could give me a convincing argument that it doesn't hurt forum discussion and has more positives, I'm not as against it as I am with the article upvotes/downvotes, my core issue with forum agrees is worry about discussion, my core issue with the article downvotes is it being used in shitty ways which discourages discussion/users and genuine annoyance, Lol.

I'm kind of tempted to say that I haven't really refrained from meaningfully participating because of forum agrees. However, if I think about it a bit more, it's likely that at least some of those low-value 'I agree' posts would have been accompanied by further elaboration, which could spark further discussion or at least stimulate other participants. I'm not sure how much real value this would create, but it's probably a thing regardless.

One point in favour of forums agrees is that they're a really low-threshold way to participate. It lets people easily see what others agree about, and it lets the poster see if someone agrees, even when no one necessarily posts anything (I'm sure some would refrain from posting low-value 'I agree' posts even without the current agree system, which could result in zero participation about some posts).



Just scrap them in its entirety. The most downvoted comments (usually the same user) should be able to be read by everyone. So we call all point and laugh together.



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