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Soundwave said:
BraLoD said:

Explain to me how every single generation and other piece of hardware prices always dropped, but now they all remained the same since the Switch, and the only movement it up and never down? Stockholders did not exist up until 2020?

The pandemic went from mid 2020 to mid to late 2021 depending on where you live, sure that was a massive reason for that.

But it has been nearly 4 years since the pandemic slowed down and things went back to "normal" before this idiot started doing this stupid tariffs shit, where were the permanet price drops during this time?

Companies realized during the pandemic that when prices go up everywhere they never need to go down anymore, because people end up accepting it. What you are seeing globally now is what happens here in Brazil at least as long as I'm around. After some time there are so many companies doing shit that public backslash is mitgated and eventually doesn't matter anymore unless it's something mindblowing absurd done by just a single one of them. The pandemic showed in capital words that up to everyone else that didn't have realized it before.

Things will keep getting worse and worse, there will be not even attempt to give excuses soon enough, be ready.

Well that's an easy one ... game hardware prices don't go down the same way any more because advanced node processes aren't going down in price. 

In the past, no one really needed high end nodes day 1 other than some gamers for game consoles/gaming GPUs and that was a small audience overall. 

Today, AI spend is bigger than some entire large countries' GDP, and then on top of that you have the massive smartphone business with Apple doubling down on having to have the top design node every year ... this has sent process node prices through the roof. The modern nodes are at such a small size (8nm to 6nm to 5nm, etc. etc.) too that the complexity of mass producing  those chips has just stayed high. 

If you thought companies' were going to eat significant tariff costs on top of that, you were being naïve anyway. That was never going to happen. Tariffs are a tax the consumer pays largely. Plain and simple. 

Agree. And I would add Crypto mining to that.



Honestly, I don't think this will hurt them that much, as they have basically no competition in the AAA home console field any more.

People will grumble, but then they'll shell out anyway.



curl-6 said:

Honestly, I don't think this will hurt them that much, as they have basically no competition in the AAA home console field any more.

People will grumble, but then they'll shell out anyway.

I'm not so sure. Not that I see PS5 struggling much to hit 100M, but I can certainly see it struggling to get close to PS4 now.

If MS really does look to be backing off hardware big time come next gen launch, that really would be the time for SNY to push super hard to get their hardware into consumers hands and lock them in with a sub to PS Plus. Being a bit generous in this situation wouldn't be a stupid move for SNY.

SNY simply falling into the PS2 to PS3 transition era again in the near future, only to have another competitor come into play who's large enough, but also wise enough to pull off a 360 type situation, and then keep that momentum going, would be a massive face palm moment. SNY would never hear the end of it, far... beyond... PS3.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

Chrkeller said:
curl-6 said:

Promise to bring prices down day 1, make everything more expensive instead.

Elect a clown, get a circus.

Bodes well for the mid terms?

In theory tariffs don't bother me, if it brings MFG jobs back.  While some companies have "committed" to bringing jobs back, I'll believe it when I see it.  But having jobs back, on paper, would be nice.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-manufacturing-domestic-tariffs/

We shall see.  Long term, paying a bit extra for a video game system to have jobs return...  I lean towards jobs.  Assuming any of this works.

I remain skeptical (on follow through) but Nvidia, TMSC and Apple investing billions in US MFG?  J&J?  Merck?  If this happens, sorry but paying $50 more for a ps5 is well worth it for the economic impact.  

What might ultimately happen is that the USA keeps fisting it's closest allies, alienating them so they seek stronger ties elsewhere... Which is what is actually happening on the world stage.

The world is a larger market than the USA. China and India are high-growth. I know the EU and Asia/Pacific are forming closer ties with each other.

My retirement fund has divested all it's holdings in the USA and is now investing into Europe because the USA is a crap trading partner now.

Majority of the technology and R&D research into chip fabrication is done outside of the USA.
ASML is Dutch. TSMC the leader in chip manufacturing is Taiwanese. Even the CEO's of AMD and nVidia came from Taiwan, which seems to be the tech-center of the world, not the USA.

The USA as a nation is just to expensive to manufacture in, they tend to import their high quality work force which can now work elsewhere.

Resources are also changing gear, USA with it's trade war with China is opening avenues for nations like Australia to start competing on rare-earths. (Which actually aren't rare at all.) Rather than the USA start mining and refining the stuff.

Honestly, Trump has done more harm than good, ultimately the USA is the loser long-term in all of this.



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redkong said:

Ps6 should should come out in the end of 2029, anything earlier would be stupid.

That would be a 9 years generation, for a system that has already peaked before its 5th year.



Pemalite said:
Chrkeller said:

Bodes well for the mid terms?

In theory tariffs don't bother me, if it brings MFG jobs back.  While some companies have "committed" to bringing jobs back, I'll believe it when I see it.  But having jobs back, on paper, would be nice.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-manufacturing-domestic-tariffs/

We shall see.  Long term, paying a bit extra for a video game system to have jobs return...  I lean towards jobs.  Assuming any of this works.

I remain skeptical (on follow through) but Nvidia, TMSC and Apple investing billions in US MFG?  J&J?  Merck?  If this happens, sorry but paying $50 more for a ps5 is well worth it for the economic impact.  

What might ultimately happen is that the USA keeps fisting it's closest allies, alienating them so they seek stronger ties elsewhere... Which is what is actually happening on the world stage.

The world is a larger market than the USA. China and India are high-growth. I know the EU and Asia/Pacific are forming closer ties with each other.

My retirement fund has divested all it's holdings in the USA and is now investing into Europe because the USA is a crap trading partner now.

Majority of the technology and R&D research into chip fabrication is done outside of the USA.
ASML is Dutch. TSMC the leader in chip manufacturing is Taiwanese. Even the CEO's of AMD and nVidia came from Taiwan, which seems to be the tech-center of the world, not the USA.

The USA as a nation is just to expensive to manufacture in, they tend to import their high quality work force which can now work elsewhere.

Resources are also changing gear, USA with it's trade war with China is opening avenues for nations like Australia to start competing on rare-earths. (Which actually aren't rare at all.) Rather than the USA start mining and refining the stuff.

Honestly, Trump has done more harm than good, ultimately the USA is the loser long-term in all of this.

We in Brazil will gladly deepen our ties with China, making more multilateral deals for our mutual benefit, before we bow down to the tyrant trying to oppress us into submission. At least until another USA bootlicker gets elected into office, but that scenario seems very unlikely of happening next year now.



TheRealSamusAran said:
redkong said:

Ps6 should should come out in the end of 2029, anything earlier would be stupid.

That would be a 9 years generation, for a system that has already peaked before its 5th year.

Peaked or not, no one is buying a 650$-750$ PS6.



crissindahouse said:

Tariffs are a big reason for higher prices but don't forget that your country has higher tariff income as ever before! Isn't that enough to make you happy?

Gotta make up for the revenue lost by not taxing billionaires somehow.



redkong said:
TheRealSamusAran said:

That would be a 9 years generation, for a system that has already peaked before its 5th year.

Peaked or not, no one is buying a 650$-750$ PS6.

Millions still will. It's not an exact comparison, but PS3 was above that adjusted for inflation and still sold millions at a high price. 

PS6 could sell over 10 million units at least before a price below $650.



Lifetime Sales Predictions 

Switch: 161 million (was 73 million, then 96 million, then 113 million, then 125 million, then 144 million, then 151 million, then 156 million)

PS5: 122 million (was 105 million, then 115 million) Xbox Series X/S: 38 million (was 60 million, then 67 million, then 57 million. then 48 million. then 40 million)

Switch 2: 120 million (was 116 million)

PS4: 120 mil (was 100 then 130 million, then 122 million) Xbox One: 51 mil (was 50 then 55 mil)

3DS: 75.5 mil (was 73, then 77 million)

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