Weird I thought prices were gonna go down day one.
Weird I thought prices were gonna go down day one.
The marketing people for these companies have to be really frustrated. Here Sony had the golden opportunity to position themselves as the "people's champ", a company that will "eat" the cost for the greater good (even if it's all bullshit). Instead, they just go full-in and join the other two guys with the whole evil empire bit. Such a shame.
| JackHandy said: The marketing people for these companies have to be really frustrated. Here Sony had the golden opportunity to position themselves as the "people's champ", a company that will "eat" the cost for the greater good (even if it's all bullshit). Instead, they just go full-in and join the other two guys with the whole evil empire bit. Such a shame. |

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BraLoD said:
Explain to me how every single generation and other piece of hardware prices always dropped, but now they all remained the same since the Switch, and the only movement it up and never down? Stockholders did not exist up until 2020? The pandemic went from mid 2020 to mid to late 2021 depending on where you live, sure that was a massive reason for that. But it has been nearly 4 years since the pandemic slowed down and things went back to "normal" before this idiot started doing this stupid tariffs shit, where were the permanet price drops during this time? Companies realized during the pandemic that when prices go up everywhere they never need to go down anymore, because people end up accepting it. What you are seeing globally now is what happens here in Brazil at least as long as I'm around. After some time there are so many companies doing shit that public backslash is mitgated and eventually doesn't matter anymore unless it's something mindblowing absurd done by just a single one of them. The pandemic showed in capital words that up to everyone else that didn't have realized it before. Things will keep getting worse and worse, there will be not even attempt to give excuses soon enough, be ready. |
Well that's an easy one ... game hardware prices don't go down the same way any more because advanced node processes aren't going down in price.
In the past, no one really needed high end nodes day 1 other than some gamers for game consoles/gaming GPUs and that was a small audience overall.
Today, AI spend is bigger than some entire large countries' GDP, and then on top of that you have the massive smartphone business with Apple doubling down on having to have the top design node every year ... this has sent process node prices through the roof. The modern nodes are at such a small size (8nm to 6nm to 5nm, etc. etc.) too that the complexity of mass producing those chips has just stayed high.
If you thought companies' were going to eat significant tariff costs on top of that, you were being naïve anyway. That was never going to happen. Tariffs are a tax the consumer pays largely. Plain and simple.
Yeah, Moore's Law slowing down + high post-pandemic inflation + autarkic economic policies are going to do this.
| redkong said: Ps6 should should come out in the end of 2029, anything earlier would be stupid. |
I used to think 2027 or 2028, now I'm thinking at least 2028 or even 2029 like you said.
I don't know what the profit margin is for Sony at the old prices or these new ones but with how far we are into this generation I think Sony would like to avoid taking a loss.
PS6 could still come out by November 2028 if Sony is willing to lose over $100 on each unit, but we'll see.
Lifetime Sales Predictions
Switch: 161 million (was 73 million, then 96 million, then 113 million, then 125 million, then 144 million, then 151 million, then 156 million)
PS5: 122 million (was 105 million, then 115 million) Xbox Series X/S: 38 million (was 60 million, then 67 million, then 57 million. then 48 million. then 40 million)
Switch 2: 120 million (was 116 million)
PS4: 120 mil (was 100 then 130 million, then 122 million) Xbox One: 51 mil (was 50 then 55 mil)
3DS: 75.5 mil (was 73, then 77 million)
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Wman1996 said:
I used to think 2027 or 2028, now I'm thinking at least 2028 or even 2029 like you said. I don't know what the profit margin is for Sony at the old prices or these new ones but with how far we are into this generation I think Sony would like to avoid taking a loss. PS6 could still come out by November 2028 if Sony is willing to lose over $100 on each unit, but we'll see. |
It doesn't make sense that tech from 2020 and from 2016 is going up in price. What the heck is it gonna cost to make a PS6.
This is why I hadn't sold my PS5, despite having no games for it. Why sell now, when I can wait for a price increase and get more cash later...
That aside, these price increases are lame.
I recall buying a PS4 Slim during 2016, 3 years after the launch of the original PS4, and the price had gone down by almost 50%.
Soundwave said:
Well that's an easy one ... game hardware prices don't go down the same way any more because advanced node processes aren't going down in price. In the past, no one really needed high end nodes day 1 other than some gamers for game consoles/gaming GPUs and that was a small audience overall. Today, AI spend is bigger than some entire large countries' GDP, and then on top of that you have the massive smartphone business with Apple doubling down on having to have the top design node every year ... this has sent process node prices through the roof. The modern nodes are at such a small size (8nm to 6nm to 5nm, etc. etc.) too that the complexity of mass producing those chips has just stayed high. If you thought companies' were going to eat significant tariff costs on top of that, you were being naïve anyway. That was never going to happen. Tariffs are a tax the consumer pays largely. Plain and simple. |
Technology was always developing in any point of story, there is nothing different now, PS5 production price has gone down too, we know that, as Sony started making profit on it after some time it released.
What is happening nowdays is just companies realising they can squeeze more money out of people because they are all doing it and there is very few options, and that is becoming a lot easier for people to see.
The pandemic brought shortages, and what happened with low supply and high demand? Scams and scalping. The PS5 was being sold at $800 or higher by scalpers and that was actually working. Soon we moved from $800 top end GPUs to $2000 ones in just a few years. Because people are paying for them.
What happened when AMD finally started becoming relevant against Intel because Intel was so far ahead they didn't care trying? AMD became "the good guys" with cheaper and good power for the buck products, and when they were up high they started charging the "Intel price" as well, because people liked them and why not charge the "Intel price" if people paid that to Intel?
That was already happening with smartphones before, with Apple and Samsung starting chasing the "Apple price", but the pandemic completely messed up with people conception that they actually have the power over the companies and not the other way around.
People became victims of their own consume habits during the pandemic because people were locked in and companies made sure to take this opportunity to get as much from them as possible.
Now it's normal to accept being screwed over, so the backslash is way softer, non existent and they are actually even being defended by some people.
As long as they can keep squeezing you dry, they will.
People were not happy with the $70 and now $80 new game prices, but they can take way, way, way more from people, and they will, for example, the one I'm inserted in, here in Brazil. Buying a new game at full price here has the impact of buying a game that costs $400 in the USA.
Can you imagine people paying $400 for single games multiple times during the year? Maybe you think it's surreal and can never happen, but it does happen here, and will happen there as well if it is allowed. It is already happening with other stuff, actually, ask a 70 years old person what they think buying a house for $600K while making $60K a year.


It was around this point last year when everyone was up-in-arms about the PS5Pro cost. Little did we know that 12m later, that price would jump to $750USD (which is really closer to $810USD when accounting for 8% sales tax…and somewhere around $900USD if you also want the disc drive attachment).