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KLXVER said:
Vinther1991 said:

Possibly, but that is not exclusive to the left, the right also flip flops on what they think is the correct definition.

Thats because people on the left keep bringing birth defects and other rare illnesses into the argument. People with the XX chromosomes, people born with a vagina, people who can have babies, people who have a period through most of their lives etc are all correct. 

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KLXVER said:
Vinther1991 said:

Pretty true. If you have a side that normalizes viewpoints that conflict with objective reality, naturally you have room for a wider variety of viewpoints.

"Opinions" such as "space is fake and gay" are just not something you find on the left.

True. There you find people who dont know what a woman is...

I've never seen anyone on the left deny that a biological women is a woman, so I think this relates more to "liberalism" underpinned with the backing that sex isn't as fixed as society treats it and provisions need to be made to accommodate the support of minority groups who's gender relationship is at odds with their sex, whether it be down to biological conditions or psychological.



Vinther1991 said:

You bring up an example that doesn’t help your point. “That language and speech have major influence” is by your own admission not factually incorrect, we just don’t know for sure to what extent it does. It also isn’t a left wing idea, but one pushed equally by the right when they find it convenient.

Either way, that is not equivalent to making factually incorrect statements like climate change isn’t real or isn’t mainly caused by human activity, or Donald Trump won the 2020 election, or vaccines don’t work, or the January 6th rioters were ANTIFA. That’s detached from empirical reality.

Look at the video. "Language and Speech having major influence" is factually wrong. They may have some influence which is hard to prove, but it doesn't affect our deeper beliefs, only stuff like focus on different aspects (for instance quicker to distinct between different shades of blue). So yes, the claim that speech changes the way society works is bullshit and should called out as such.

And sure, the right has their own bullshit. Which is exactly what I said.



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Vinther1991 said:
SeaDaVie said:

That’s because most things that leftwing people believe in are actual facts and basic truths, and there can’t be much deviation on that. Like if you believe in climate change then believe in climate change. If you believe in equality then you believe in equality for all, no exceptions but the biases and intolerances of the right are many and varied(some dislike foreigners but are ok with gays, some despise both, some just hate Jews, some are even relatively tolerant and just believe in traditional conservative values in relation to things like government size and tax). The right encompasses the traditional fiscal conservatives, the religious extreme, the religious moderates, the conspiracy theorists, poor rural people that believe electing billionaires will be good for them etc.

Pretty true. If you have a side that normalizes viewpoints that conflict with objective reality, naturally you have room for a wider variety of viewpoints.

"Opinions" such as "space is fake and gay" are just not something you find on the left.

Actually, you have a wide variety of viewpoints amongst scientist. Because science demands openness to new ideas. Facts also don't dictate opinions. The narrowing of viewpoints is a thing down to societal pressures, it always was. In the past it happened more often on the right, but social media has changed a lot of rules.



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Otter said:
KLXVER said:

True. There you find people who dont know what a woman is...

I've never seen anyone on the left deny that a biological women is a woman, so I think this relates more to "liberalism" underpinned with the backing that sex isn't as fixed as society treats it and provisions need to be made to accommodate the support of minority groups who's gender relationship is at odds with their sex, whether it be down to biological conditions or psychological.

No, they dont deny that a biological woman is a woman. They just wont say that a trans woman is not the exact same thing as a biological woman.



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Torillian said:
curl-6 said:

Those are indeed false, but conspiracy theories are not the sole domain of the right, they occur on the left as well, such as "Trump rigged the 2016/2024 elections" or "the right are preparing for a genocide of minorities, detention facilities are extermination camps".

Not the sole domain but damn if they aren't way better at accepting them overall. Some estimates I've seen are that 70% of republicans believe in the 2020 conspiracy. Is there anything you can point to on the left that is simultaneously so obviously factually wrong yet so completely accepted?

But that is actually a narrowing of viewpoints, if all believe the same. The study cited in the OP claims that the viewpoints on the left (however that is defined) is narrower than on the right. So there must be variety of viewpoints in some regards, even if many may agree on the 2020 conspiracy.



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KLXVER said:

I think there is a flower outside who thinks its a tree. You as a biochemist should go out and assure it that it can be a tree if it really wants to.

He doesn't need to. Many flowers are trees and many trees flowers, in the biological sense. Flowers are "the reproductive structures of flowering plants." Flowering plants is a biological grouping called Angiosperms. Tree is actually not clearly defined, but however the definition, I think most people include an oak as tree, and oaks are angiosperms, so in a biological sense flowers or more precisely having flowers.



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Mnementh said:
KLXVER said:

I think there is a flower outside who thinks its a tree. You as a biochemist should go out and assure it that it can be a tree if it really wants to.

He doesn't need to. Many flowers are trees and many trees flowers, in the biological sense. Flowers are "the reproductive structures of flowering plants." Flowering plants is a biological grouping called Angiosperms. Tree is actually not clearly defined, but however the definition, I think most people include an oak as tree, and oaks are angiosperms, so in a biological sense flowers or more precisely having flowers.

Always fun to see your joke being taken seriously. You are smart. Thanks for letting us know.



I think this thread is a perfect example of how, regardless of the data that is presented is, people who identify as a particular group will recognize the data with regards to their in-group as better than those of the out-group. On both sides.



ArchangelMadzz said:

Why are we using the framing of right wing weirdos on a study that doesn't make such claim?

This was mapping the responses to 8 questions:
Should abortion be illegal?
Should the government take steps to make incomes more equal?
Should all unauthorized immigrants be sent back to their home country?
Should the federal budget for welfare programs be increased?
Should lesbian, gay, and trans couples be allowed to legally marry?
Should the government regulate business to protect the environment?
Should the federal government make it more difficult to buy a gun?
Should the federal government make a concerted effort to improve social and economic conditions for African Americans?


This is just an indication on responses to these questions and nothing else.
*the claim "the right has more diversity of thought than the left" isn't even asserted by the study itself*

If I asked 1000 people a question on "should slavery come back" and group A all said no and group B had a wide range of Yes, No and Maybe, I wouldn't frame the results as "Group B has more diversity of thought" unless I obviously had some agenda behind it because that's not the conclusion nor what the people who wrote the study even said.

Do better man you've been here long enough

Thanks. This looks like a particular set of questions that is pretty selective. Hmm, that implies we probably could find a set of questions that would show a different or reverted result. Something where more diversity of viewpoints exists on the left than the right. As we talk about the US, I have some off the top of my head:

  • Does god exist? (Would look different in europe, but in the US the belief in god dominates, so the right should be pretty uniform and the left differing. Exactly the opposite in europe, there should be plenty of atheists on the right.)
  • Should the US military solve conflicts worldwide?
  • Should the US abolish capitalism?
  • Should the US support Israel?

I have a strong feeling with these questions we would get a different result than the ones you listed.



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