| EricHiggin said: … |
PS6 will not be less expensive than PS5 Pro. Unless Sony is looking to lose hundreds per each units produced, this is unrealistic.


| EricHiggin said: … |
PS6 will not be less expensive than PS5 Pro. Unless Sony is looking to lose hundreds per each units produced, this is unrealistic.
firebush03 said:
PS6 will not be less expensive than PS5 Pro. Unless Sony is looking to lose hundreds per each units produced, this is unrealistic. |
It's possible that they go with a XBSS/XBSX strategy next time as, whatever they launch needs to be at a mass market price. Your right though, how do they launch a mass market product at a mass market price when the P55 Pro is already 700$ and the PS6 will be far more power in tech specs.
Hardstuck-Platinum said:
It's possible that they go with a XBSS/XBSX strategy next time as, whatever they launch needs to be at a mass market price. Your right though, how do they launch a mass market product at a mass market price when the P55 Pro is already 700$ and the PS6 will be far more power in tech specs. |
PS3 was still $299 when PS4 launched at $399 wasn't it? Wasn't PS4 found to be a little underpowered? Not all that surprising because PS3 launched at $599.
SNY could possibly do 2 separate performance SKUs like XB Series, especially if XB does something like a handheld and super high end console. Though if SNY also does a handheld/hybrid, then that's 3 SKUs and I don't really see PS doing that, even if the handheld took the place of the PS5 super slim and was PS5 only, and I doubt they'd do that either.
A $700 or higher PS6 is doomed, unless PS6 games remain cross gen with PS5, all gen long.
PS1 - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.
PS2 - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.
PS3 - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.
PS4 - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.
PRO -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.
PS5 - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.
PRO -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.
EricHiggin said:
If inflation is out of control or 'higher than it should be', than it can be lower in the future. While inflation may only go up overall, it fluctuates day to day. Doing an inflation calculation online only tells you the answer based on inflation as of this moment in time. Now inflation is never going to be less than $499 in 2028, because back in 2020 inflation was right about where it should have been, give or take, but that also doesn't mean it couldn't be say, $575 come 2028. PS5 Pro launched at a time when inflation was far far higher than it should have been, which is part of the reason for it's outrageous cost, aside from the greedy mark up. SNY could make a $550 PS6 and then sell it for $499. They were losing $25 to $50 on PS5 when it launched, so it wouldn't be any different assuming inflation continues to settle down. There's a reason why PS1 was $299 and not $499. Same reason why PS2 was $299. There's a reason why PS3 was $599, and that's because SNY went full retard due to the third console curse. There's a reason why PS4 was $399. Same reason why PS5 was $499. PS1 was $299. PS2 was $299. PS3, like the 360, should have been $399. PS4 was $399. PS5 was $499. See the trend? PS6 needs to be $499. Those prices weren't just randomly pulled out of SNY's butt, they're based on things like wage increases, inflation, the markets, brand growth/profits, etc. People are buying PS5's at about the same rate as PS4's because that's the economic situation we've been in for a while (largely due to things like covid). We also don't know if PS5 is going to have the legs to match PS4's total sales by the end of the gen, assuming 2027/2028. Assuming inflation calms down over the next 5 years, leading to all prices of goods coming down, people won't accept a $599 PS6. It would be way to blatantly obvious that SNY is price gouging people, or that they've lost their minds again like with PS3, and sales would suffer. It the same reason why PS5 Pro's aren't flying off shelves still. The hardcore, or uninformed went out and got one asap, while the majority aren't paying that kinda money for a console, period. Every PS console has been less of a leap than before, and we're nearing the point of graphics becoming so good that it's getting more and more difficult to tell the difference between the next upgrade. There's a reason why SNY focused so much on things like the new DualSense controller or the SSD speeds, and not so much the Tflops when it came to the PS5 launch. Look how many sales Series S was able to get at 4TF. Look at how many sales Switch got. Why are there likely legit rumors of a SNY handheld if performance is what matters so much to PS gamers? That handheld would be PS5 performance at best come 2028, which may launch around or alongside a PS6. If PS5 Pro owners don't think PS6 is enough of a jump, then they can wait for PS6 Pro, just like how some PS4 Pro owners stuck with that console until PS5 Pro, or are waiting for PS6. Either that or they shouldn't have got a PS5 Pro and just waited. You're also not taking into account the business model changes the console companies have made. They're making record profits, and more than they used to, because instead of considerably subsidizing the hardware, they're breaking even, if not profiting, by a fair amount throughout the gen. SW2 could have been $399, but Nin has always liked to make profits off the hardware day 1, and has always charged a premium for their products. $349 was being too optimistic, but $399 wasn't out of the question. Nobody knew to expect tariffs back then either when guessing at the pricing. A $599 PS6, while the max they could try and get away with, won't fly long term, even if it's due to continued out of control inflation. It would end up something like PS3, but this time because people couldn't justify such a high price after so much hardship due to a lengthy wild inflationary period. People can justify the price now with PS5 because the assumption is that inflation will be reined in sooner than later, so they can afford to still be a bit generous when it comes to gaming. That will change though, next gen, if inflation is still much too high and hasn't settled down, and sales will suffer. At $499 next gen (2028), even if inflation continues to be rampant, console sales would still be decent because they'll be borderline affordable still. If inflation has settled down by then, PS6 at $499 will match PS4 and PS5 sales trajectories. |
Based on the bolded it really seems like you don't get how this works. Inflation has already mostly calmed down but the high inflation in 2022 and 2023 is never going away unless deflation happens which you really don't want to happen since it would make those years look like a cake walk. The US dollar and other currencies like the Pound are now worth notably less compared to the start of this decade and that will be permanent without deflation so unless something catastrophic happens causing that the average price of goods will remain higher than it was back then and keep increasing in price over time.
You mention the prices of past Playstation consoles but the PS1's $299 launch price is already worth nearly $650 today and the PS2 and PS4 are at about $550 so a $499 PS6 2-3 years from now would be the cheapest Playstation yet by a notable margin. The PS4's price was just a return to the norm since the PS3 was an outlier with how expensive it was. $299 in 2001 was worth almost $399 when the PS4 launched so if the PS6 follows the usual pricing it'll be at minimum $599 unless it's an outlier and is unusually cheap cause $499 is already worth about $615 and will keep increasing over the next 2-3 years.
If you think the PS6 will be an outlier in that way and will be a low end console instead of mid-range then fair enough but it would be a big departure from the usual strategy of offering mid-range hardware for a good price which is why I'd find the PS6 being that cheap a big surprise. Like Microsoft released the low end Series S but still offered a good mid-range option as well and you mentioned the Switch but even Nintendo is following that strategy again since the Switch was a fairly capable handheld device for early 2017 and the Switch 2 is also fairly capable for mid 2025. Compared to a home console it's still really weak of course but standards are very different for handhelds and compared to current PC handhelds the Switch 2 holds up well.
Last edited by Norion - on 18 May 2025EricHiggin said:
PS3 was still $299 when PS4 launched at $399 wasn't it? Wasn't PS4 found to be a little underpowered? Not all that surprising because PS3 launched at $599. SNY could possibly do 2 separate performance SKUs like XB Series, especially if XB does something like a handheld and super high end console. Though if SNY also does a handheld/hybrid, then that's 3 SKUs and I don't really see PS doing that, even if the handheld took the place of the PS5 super slim and was PS5 only, and I doubt they'd do that either. A $700 or higher PS6 is doomed, unless PS6 games remain cross gen with PS5, all gen long. |
I'm not sure it would be doomed. Now that MS is no longer trying to compete with Sony in the console space, it means they have it all to themselves. It's not like the PS3 where everyone could just buy a 360 instead. With the recent Xbox price increases it is very clear they are no longer subsidising the console price and therefore no longer trying to compete with Sony. Sony has no competitors anymore so where else is everyone going to go if they want to buy a next gen console?
Norion said:
Based on the bolded it really seems like you don't get how this works. Inflation has already mostly calmed down but the high inflation in 2022 and 2023 is never going away unless deflation happens which you really don't want to happen since it would make those years look like a cake walk. The US dollar and other currencies like the Pound are now worth notably less compared to the start of this decade and that will be permanent without deflation so unless something catastrophic happens causing that the average price of goods will remain higher than it was back then and keep increasing in price over time. You mention the prices of past Playstation consoles but the PS1's $299 launch price is already worth nearly $650 today and the PS2 and PS4 are at about $550 so a $499 PS6 2-3 years from now would be the cheapest Playstation yet by a notable margin. The PS4's price was just a return to the norm since the PS3 was an outlier with how expensive it was. $299 in 2001 was worth almost $399 when the PS4 launched so if the PS6 follows the usual pricing it'll be at minimum $599 unless it's an outlier and is unusually cheap cause $499 is already worth about $615 and will keep increasing over the next 2-3 years. If you think the PS6 will be an outlier in that way and will be a low end console instead of mid-range then fair enough but it would be a big departure from the usual strategy at offering mid-range hardware for a good price which is why I'd find the PS6 being that cheap a big surprise. Like Microsoft released the low end Series S but still offered a good mid-range option as well and you mentioned the Switch but even Nintendo is following that strategy again since the Switch was a fairly capable handheld device for early 2017 and the Switch 2 is also fairly capable for mid 2025. Compared to a home console it's still really weak of course but standards are very different for handhelds and compared to current PC handhelds the Switch 2 holds up well. |
"The average price of goods will remain higher than it was back then, and keep increasing over time". This is what I said, but back then PS5 wasn't $700. Inflation has calmed down somewhat but isn't back to where it should be yet. Businesses also take time to adjust for various reasons, like taking advantage. Tariffs are also holding off any price reductions. The worldwide economy still has a ways to go before it gets back to what we would consider normal.
PS1 with present inflation being around $650 doesn't mean much. What matters is that $299 was the sweet spot for mass adoption back then at that time. In 2028, $499 will still be the sweet spot, and if SNY launches at $600, or worse, $700, they're going to end up in a similar position to the PS3's launch. The only way SNY limits the damage with pricing that high, with a typical single SKU, is to go back to dropping the hardware price asap whenever possible.
PS5 Pro is already implementing software to significantly boost performance like PSSR, much like AMD's FSR tech, and this is just the first iteration of it. If you look at FSR4 now, it's very impressive, and SNY and AMD are now working together on that going forward. Just look at what Switch 2 is able to accomplish with its hardware, using software tech like DLSS. PS6 isn't going to need near the hardware you'd typically expect to produce next gen worthy visuals, and less hardware with more powerful software is cheaper to produce.
SNY had its reasons for PS4 ending up lower mid range, because people didn't pay the high launch price they charged for PS3, the economy was still recovering from 2008, plus everyone 'knew' console gaming was dead because mobile was the future. That didn't stop it from selling 120M units. The PS6 strategy won't be focused on, 'we need a new console and it has to be giant leap, no matter the cost.' SNY knows what that mindset leads to, and it's nowhere good.
PS1 - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.
PS2 - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.
PS3 - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.
PS4 - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.
PRO -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.
PS5 - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.
PRO -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.
Hardstuck-Platinum said:
I'm not sure it would be doomed. Now that MS is no longer trying to compete with Sony in the console space, it means they have it all to themselves. It's not like the PS3 where everyone could just buy a 360 instead. With the recent Xbox price increases it is very clear they are no longer subsidising the console price and therefore no longer trying to compete with Sony. Sony has no competitors anymore so where else is everyone going to go if they want to buy a next gen console? |
That's too similar to the PS3 mindset SNY had. They thought even with the 360, if they made the console seem premium with a high price, people would get a second job to have it. They thought if they made the hardware more complicated, and lacked in software so devs would end up spending 'all' their time programming for PS3, that 360 wouldn't get games, or would get quickly slapped together poorer versions of games. Not to mention all the other boneheaded idea's they had at the time.
The point is it all backfired, and it would again if SNY assumes that they have the market completely to themselves and casuals locked in. Plenty of casuals simply won't console game if they can't get what they want for a reasonable price, and will go mobile. Plenty of those casuals will just get a Switch 2 for $449 instead of a $700 PS6 if they're into console type gaming enough. Many would just keep their PS5, or get a used one, even an XB Series, to play GTAVI. Some will even get a PC instead. There's also those who just won't game anymore and will find another pastime.
SNY forgetting what they learned with PS3 would be a sad gen in console land, because at least XB was there to keep those casuals in the red ocean. Doing something like that again with PS6, without XB being much of a factor, will cause plenty to jump into the blue ocean instead, or will just get out of the water entirely.
PS1 - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.
PS2 - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.
PS3 - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.
PS4 - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.
PRO -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.
PS5 - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.
PRO -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.
EricHiggin said:
"The average price of goods will remain higher than it was back then, and keep increasing over time". This is what I said, but back then PS5 wasn't $700. Inflation has calmed down somewhat but isn't back to where it should be yet. Businesses also take time to adjust for various reasons, like taking advantage. Tariffs are also holding off any price reductions. The worldwide economy still has a ways to go before it gets back to what we would consider normal. PS1 with present inflation being around $650 doesn't mean much. What matters is that $299 was the sweet spot for mass adoption back then at that time. In 2028, $499 will still be the sweet spot, and if SNY launches at $600, or worse, $700, they're going to end up in a similar position to the PS3's launch. The only way SNY limits the damage with pricing that high, with a typical single SKU, is to go back to dropping the hardware price asap whenever possible. PS5 Pro is already implementing software to significantly boost performance like PSSR, much like AMD's FSR tech, and this is just the first iteration of it. If you look at FSR4 now, it's very impressive, and SNY and AMD are now working together on that going forward. Just look at what Switch 2 is able to accomplish with its hardware, using software tech like DLSS. PS6 isn't going to need near the hardware you'd typically expect to produce next gen worthy visuals, and less hardware with more powerful software is cheaper to produce. SNY had its reasons for PS4 ending up lower mid range, because people didn't pay the high launch price they charged for PS3, the economy was still recovering from 2008, plus everyone 'knew' console gaming was dead because mobile was the future. That didn't stop it from selling 120M units. The PS6 strategy won't be focused on, 'we need a new console and it has to be giant leap, no matter the cost.' SNY knows what that mindset leads to, and it's nowhere good. |
I really don't think that would be the sweet spot since it wouldn't be lower mid-range, it'd be upper low-end at best but I suppose we can just agree to disagree on this and just wait 2-3 years. I could see Sony offering a cheaper point of entry but I would be very surprised if there isn't at least a mid-range option available for the PS6. If there's a weaker $499 version of the PS6 there's bound to also be a capable $699 version as well.
EricHiggin said:
That's too similar to the PS3 mindset SNY had. They thought even with the 360, if they made the console seem premium with a high price, people would get a second job to have it. They thought if they made the hardware more complicated, and lacked in software so devs would end up spending 'all' their time programming for PS3, that 360 wouldn't get games, or would get quickly slapped together poorer versions of games. Not to mention all the other boneheaded idea's they had at the time. The point is it all backfired, and it would again if SNY assumes that they have the market completely to themselves and casuals locked in. Plenty of casuals simply won't console game if they can't get what they want for a reasonable price, and will go mobile. Plenty of those casuals will just get a Switch 2 for $449 instead of a $700 PS6 if they're into console type gaming enough. Many would just keep their PS5, or get a used one, even an XB Series, to play GTAVI. Some will even get a PC instead. There's also those who just won't game anymore and will find another pastime. SNY forgetting what they learned with PS3 would be a sad gen in console land, because at least XB was there to keep those casuals in the red ocean. Doing something like that again with PS6, without XB being much of a factor, will cause plenty to jump into the blue ocean instead, or will just get out of the water entirely. |
I think the PS3 only initially failed because of the 360 though. MS being aggressive with low prices trying hard to compete with them gave everyone an alternative to PS3. What would be the alternative to PS6? The 2tb XBSX is now 730$ so it's clear MS have just said "screw it, we don't care about cheap consoles or our image of being consumer friendly anymore". The Switch 2 doesn't look like it will be strong enough to play games like GTA 6 so that's not an option to leave to. The only potential threat to Sony I see would be Valve making a console version of the steam deck.
Last edited by Hardstuck-Platinum - on 19 May 2025Hardstuck-Platinum said:
I think the PS3 only initially failed because of the 360 though. MS being aggressive with low prices trying hard to compete with them gave everyone an alternative to PS3. What would be the alternative to PS6? The 2tb XBSX is now 730$ so it's clear MS have just said "screw it, we don't care about cheap consoles or our image of being consumer friendly anymore". The Switch 2 doesn't look like it will be strong enough to play games like GTA 6 so that's not an option to leave to. The only potential threat to Sony I see would be Valve making a console version of the steam deck. |
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| EricHiggin said: Plenty of casuals simply won't console game if they can't get what they want for a reasonable price, and will go mobile. Plenty of those casuals will just get a Switch 2 for $449 instead of a $700 PS6 if they're into console type gaming enough. Many would just keep their PS5, or get a used one, even an XB Series, to play GTAVI. Some will even get a PC instead. There's also those who just won't game anymore and will find another pastime. SNY forgetting what they learned with PS3 would be a sad gen in console land, because at least XB was there to keep those casuals in the red ocean. Doing something like that again with PS6, without XB being much of a factor, will cause plenty to jump into the blue ocean instead, or will just get out of the water entirely. |
Thinking you've got 100M+ guaranteed dedicated customers who will buy your product no matter what is the type of thinking that led to PS3 and its struggle to just hit 87M sales. Doesn't matter if it would be a different situation with the same mindset this time, the outcome will also be different overall yet similar in the end due to that mindset.
PS1 - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.
PS2 - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.
PS3 - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.
PS4 - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.
PRO -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.
PS5 - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.
PRO -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.