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EricHiggin said:
Norion said:

What I've said is simple math though. $499 in November 2020 is already equal to $615 now so 2-3 years from now it'll be even higher than that. The exact number is up in the air of course though I was never making an exact guess. 

For the bolded what are you basing that on? The PS5 is keeping pace with the PS4 really well despite costing more at launch and never getting a price cut. A PS4 at this point in its life was $299 but the $499 PS5 is outpacing it in the US so the notion that a PS6 that is just $100 more expensive would struggle to sell seems silly to me when a $200 increase isn't harming things much.

A weak PS6 would also lose customers though cause Sony will probably have a hard time getting most PS5 owners to upgrade regardless so if the leap to the PS6 is quite modest then even more of them will decide to not bother and just stick with the PS5 since it'll be getting almost every game the PS6 gets for a long time. A lower price will help of course but I dunno if it would make up for that and becoming outdated compared to PC gaming even faster.

The PS5 Pro is actually a significant leap, the rasterization improvement isn't that big but the ray tracing one is and combined with its upscaling tech will make it age a lot better than the base PS5. Monster Hunter Wilds is a good recent example where the PS5 Pro version is significantly better than the other console versions and a few years from now many big games will be struggling a lot on the base console with rough image quality while the Pro will be doing a lot better. For the power you get it's actually decent value since a similar PC would be notably more expensive, stuff like this just costs more nowadays in general. I do agree that the disc drive not being included for the price is shitty though.

This reminds me of some people thinking the Switch 2 being $349 was possible when that wasn't reasonable and was just wishful thinking. An underpowered Series S type console would cost at minimum $399 by 2027-2028 so a $499 PS6 wouldn't be much better than that. I genuinely think that as low as $599 would be a bit surprising especially since the PS5 could potentially cost that much in a few months.

If inflation is out of control or 'higher than it should be', than it can be lower in the future. While inflation may only go up overall, it fluctuates day to day. Doing an inflation calculation online only tells you the answer based on inflation as of this moment in time. Now inflation is never going to be less than $499 in 2028, because back in 2020 inflation was right about where it should have been, give or take, but that also doesn't mean it couldn't be say, $575 come 2028. PS5 Pro launched at a time when inflation was far far higher than it should have been, which is part of the reason for it's outrageous cost, aside from the greedy mark up. SNY could make a $550 PS6 and then sell it for $499. They were losing $25 to $50 on PS5 when it launched, so it wouldn't be any different assuming inflation continues to settle down.

There's a reason why PS1 was $299 and not $499. Same reason why PS2 was $299. There's a reason why PS3 was $599, and that's because SNY went full retard due to the third console curse. There's a reason why PS4 was $399. Same reason why PS5 was $499.

PS1 was $299. PS2 was $299. PS3, like the 360, should have been $399. PS4 was $399. PS5 was $499. See the trend? PS6 needs to be $499. Those prices weren't just randomly pulled out of SNY's butt, they're based on things like wage increases, inflation, the markets, brand growth/profits, etc.

People are buying PS5's at about the same rate as PS4's because that's the economic situation we've been in for a while (largely due to things like covid). We also don't know if PS5 is going to have the legs to match PS4's total sales by the end of the gen, assuming 2027/2028. Assuming inflation calms down over the next 5 years, leading to all prices of goods coming down, people won't accept a $599 PS6. It would be way to blatantly obvious that SNY is price gouging people, or that they've lost their minds again like with PS3, and sales would suffer. It the same reason why PS5 Pro's aren't flying off shelves still. The hardcore, or uninformed went out and got one asap, while the majority aren't paying that kinda money for a console, period.

Every PS console has been less of a leap than before, and we're nearing the point of graphics becoming so good that it's getting more and more difficult to tell the difference between the next upgrade. There's a reason why SNY focused so much on things like the new DualSense controller or the SSD speeds, and not so much the Tflops when it came to the PS5 launch. Look how many sales Series S was able to get at 4TF. Look at how many sales Switch got. Why are there likely legit rumors of a SNY handheld if performance is what matters so much to PS gamers? That handheld would be PS5 performance at best come 2028, which may launch around or alongside a PS6. If PS5 Pro owners don't think PS6 is enough of a jump, then they can wait for PS6 Pro, just like how some PS4 Pro owners stuck with that console until PS5 Pro, or are waiting for PS6. Either that or they shouldn't have got a PS5 Pro and just waited.

You're also not taking into account the business model changes the console companies have made. They're making record profits, and more than they used to, because instead of considerably subsidizing the hardware, they're breaking even, if not profiting, by a fair amount throughout the gen. SW2 could have been $399, but Nin has always liked to make profits off the hardware day 1, and has always charged a premium for their products. $349 was being too optimistic, but $399 wasn't out of the question. Nobody knew to expect tariffs back then either when guessing at the pricing.

A $599 PS6, while the max they could try and get away with, won't fly long term, even if it's due to continued out of control inflation. It would end up something like PS3, but this time because people couldn't justify such a high price after so much hardship due to a lengthy wild inflationary period. People can justify the price now with PS5 because the assumption is that inflation will be reined in sooner than later, so they can afford to still be a bit generous when it comes to gaming. That will change though, next gen, if inflation is still much too high and hasn't settled down, and sales will suffer. At $499 next gen (2028), even if inflation continues to be rampant, console sales would still be decent because they'll be borderline affordable still. If inflation has settled down by then, PS6 at $499 will match PS4 and PS5 sales trajectories.

Based on the bolded it really seems like you don't get how this works. Inflation has already mostly calmed down but the high inflation in 2022 and 2023 is never going away unless deflation happens which you really don't want to happen since it would make those years look like a cake walk. The US dollar and other currencies like the Pound are now worth notably less compared to the start of this decade and that will be permanent without deflation so unless something catastrophic happens causing that the average price of goods will remain higher than it was back then and keep increasing in price over time.

You mention the prices of past Playstation consoles but the PS1's $299 launch price is already worth nearly $650 today and the PS2 and PS4 are at about $550 so a $499 PS6 2-3 years from now would be the cheapest Playstation yet by a notable margin. The PS4's price was just a return to the norm since the PS3 was an outlier with how expensive it was. $299 in 2001 was worth almost $399 when the PS4 launched so if the PS6 follows the usual pricing it'll be at minimum $599 unless it's an outlier and is unusually cheap cause $499 is already worth about $615 and will keep increasing over the next 2-3 years.

If you think the PS6 will be an outlier in that way and will be a low end console instead of mid-range then fair enough but it would be a big departure from the usual strategy of offering mid-range hardware for a good price which is why I'd find the PS6 being that cheap a big surprise. Like Microsoft released the low end Series S but still offered a good mid-range option as well and you mentioned the Switch but even Nintendo is following that strategy again since the Switch was a fairly capable handheld device for early 2017 and the Switch 2 is also fairly capable for mid 2025. Compared to a home console it's still really weak of course but standards are very different for handhelds and compared to current PC handhelds the Switch 2 holds up well.

Last edited by Norion - on 18 May 2025